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A quick way to tell for all Blackhawks other than Vaqueros is to look for the letter code NV (for New Vaquero IIRC) in the catalog designation - not the model number.
E.g,:
Ruger Bisley Flattop RURNVB-445-SPCL
Stainless Bisley Flattop RUKRNVB-444-SPL
Ruger Blackhawk .45 Convertible RUBN455X - no NV - this is built on the "44 Magnum" frame
Ruger Blackhawk Flattop .45 Convertible RUNVB-44X
Ruger Blackhawk .357 convertible RUBN34X - built on the large frame
Ruger Blackhawk Flattop .357 convertible RUNVB-
It gets tricky for original large frame Vaqueros and mid-size frame New Vaqueros:
Vaquero "Small Frame" .357 RUNV34
But the Talo Vaquero .44 Magnum which is definitely not on the mid-size frame is RUKBNV-455-I - also has NV in the catalog designation.
Ruger is no help, they don't say which is which on their website and they don't use the term New Vaquero, just Vaquero. At least not that I can find or that is readily apparent. If someone knows where they make those distinctions I'd love to be enlightened. Lipsey's has the term "Small frame" in their descriptions of some Vaqueros whereas it is missing in others, like the Talo .44 Mag, but I have no idea how consistent they are with that.
I'm really surprised that any firearms company wouldn't make clear designations about those frame sizes, especially with lawyers circling like buzzards over road kill waiting for any chance to sue. Ruger will tell you not to use anything but factory level ammo but still, they really threw some monkey wrenches in the idea of "Ruger only" loads when they introduced the mix and match mid-size frames.
And they look smaller  [/quote] Yeah, it's pretty easy to see when you have them side by side.  I was thinking more of someone looking on gunbroker or somewhere you wouldn't be able to compare or see it first hand.
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I am pretty sure the New Vaquero and Flat Tops are on the same frame and the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk are the same size frame including the 5 shot Bisleys. I believe this is correct. Ahhh......No. incorrect I am pretty sure the New Vaquero and Flat Tops are on the same frame and the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk are the same size frame including the 5 shot Bisleys. I believe this is correct. Ahhh......No. incorrect So...........this would actually be correct then
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Here is my contribution to this thread. 3rd Generation Colt SAA convertible, 45ACP, 45 Colt. Weight with the heavier 45ACP cylinder 2lb, 51/4 oz., the real Ivory grips may also add a few oz.to the weight. I shoot standard loads of both calibers. Sweet shooting rig, I favor the 45ACP due to the cost of factory ammo. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/SSp63s3.jpg)
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Hell, wish I could have a Super Redhawk size grip made up for my Super Blackhawk... only complaint I have about mine is that the grip is just too damn small. Light... 7" barreled Super Blackhawk is still my favorite.
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Hell, wish I could have a Super Redhawk size grip made up for my Super Blackhawk... only complaint I have about mine is that the grip is just too damn small. Light... 7" barreled Super Blackhawk is still my favorite.
Phil The Hogue is an eyesore, but it sure feels good with the heavy loads. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/handguns/Ruger%20Super%20Blackhawk/Img_3479.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/handguns/Ruger%20Super%20Blackhawk/Img_3477.jpg)
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Here is my contribution to this thread. 3rd Generation Colt SAA convertible, 45ACP, 45 Colt. Weight with the heavier 45ACP cylinder 2lb, 51/4 oz., the real Ivory grips may also add a few oz.to the weight. I shoot standard loads of both calibers. Sweet shooting rig, I favor the 45ACP due to the cost of factory ammo. That is a sweet looking Colt. Congratulations and thank you for sharing.
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Here is my contribution to this thread. 3rd Generation Colt SAA convertible, 45ACP, 45 Colt. Weight with the heavier 45ACP cylinder 2lb, 51/4 oz., the real Ivory grips may also add a few oz.to the weight. I shoot standard loads of both calibers. Sweet shooting rig, I favor the 45ACP due to the cost of factory ammo. I like that one a lot.
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Here is my contribution to this thread. 3rd Generation Colt SAA convertible, 45ACP, 45 Colt. Weight with the heavier 45ACP cylinder 2lb, 51/4 oz., the real Ivory grips may also add a few oz.to the weight. I shoot standard loads of both calibers. Sweet shooting rig, I favor the 45ACP due to the cost of factory ammo. Winner
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I have the new model Blackhawk 4 5/8 inch barrel in 45 Colt. Hard to beat it.
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I am pretty sure the New Vaquero and Flat Tops are on the same frame and the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk are the same size frame including the 5 shot Bisleys. The exact opposite is the case. Between the Blackhawk and the Flattop, all having the same barrel length I'd be surprised if there were more than 3 oz between all the guns. I have original Vaqueros and Blackhawk, and Bisley Blackhawk in 45 Colt. All are nice guns. Don't see how you can go wrong with any of them. The major choice is convertible or not. There are some good loads out there for any of them. Even the lightest model will handle anything in North America.
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Hell, wish I could have a Super Redhawk size grip made up for my Super Blackhawk... only complaint I have about mine is that the grip is just too damn small. Light... 7" barreled Super Blackhawk is still my favorite.
Phil The Hogue is an eyesore, but it sure feels good with the heavy loads. The Pachmayrs look a little better but still not as nice as wood stocks. I agree though, that square-backed trigger guard is a finger-killer without them.
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Hell, wish I could have a Super Redhawk size grip made up for my Super Blackhawk... only complaint I have about mine is that the grip is just too damn small. Light... 7" barreled Super Blackhawk is still my favorite.
Phil ChigsGrips fixed my same issue.
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I am pretty sure the New Vaquero and Flat Tops are on the same frame and the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk are the same size frame including the 5 shot Bisleys. The exact opposite is the case. Huh?
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Read the post wrong, disregard
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Think I’ll start saving my pennies, and making space/selling off some to make room for one of those 3rd gen convertible Colt 45’s.
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/O0lmRIv.jpg) This .357 old model Flattop weighs 2 pounds 5.5 ounces according to my digital postal scale. This custom medium frame flattop .45 convertible weighs 2 pounds 2.7 ounces according to the same scale, though I swapped the standard stainless grip frame for an aluminum one. : ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/2ozjCc7.jpg)
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