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Originally Posted by Pine_Tree
For you conservatives out there, it'll also be helpful to learn what libertarians mean when they say "big L" and "little l".

Little l means libertarians (go look up the Non-Aggression Principle).

Big L means the "Libertarian" party, which is very, very often anything but.

Generally "little l" and "big L" folks won't have anything to do with each other. In my opinion, libertarians just aren't party-kinda folks, since by nature they mostly want to be left alone and are happy to leave others alone.

Good lord, it's akin to reading 'binary, fluid, trans, lesbian ' etc ways to define every freak. When in fact there are only boys and girls.

Give it a name.

People are either American (for the Constitution) or anti-American.


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I no longer give a 💩 how they think nor do I care. Fug the anti American a**holes. They are all welcome to leave this country anytime they wish. Good riddance.

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Lets see, we have democrats, republicans, independents, big L libertarians, small l libertarians, neocons, rino etc etc.

We need to get back to American.

Just like the 38 special interest hunting groups


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Originally Posted by Springcove
I no longer give a 💩 how they think nor do I care. Fug the anti American a**holes. They are all welcome to leave this country anytime they wish. Good riddance.



I'll even help them.


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I considered myself a Libertarian for several years. But it's become evident that it's never going to be a possibility in an America that's 50% Communist.

I've adopted a Nationalist mindset these days simply because Nationalism is the only chance there is to save this country,....and it needs to happen yesterday.

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Folks still keep confusing a libertarian mindset with the Libertarian political party. We live in a democratic republic, I don't think many people would want to get rid of the democratic or the republic part of that. Yet lots and lots of people despise the Democratic and Republican parties, and rightfully so.


















































I'm thinking visual aids might be in order here.

Little "l' libertarian:

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Big "L" Libertarian:

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
I considered myself a Libertarian for several years. But it's become evident that it's never going to be a possibility in an America that's 50% Communist.

I've adopted a Nationalist mindset these days simply because Nationalism is the only chance there is to save this country,....and it needs to happen yesterday.


Yep.

All the sub-groups can be filed away as either a Globalist or a Nationalist.


The media has been making the word "nationalist" a dirty word for awhile now... Which tells me that's where I am. wink


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The libertarian movement that started gaining steam under Ron Paul had a steak driven through its heart by the deep state.

It was an eye opening event for those young people who were new to politics. It was an eye opening event even for some of us old folks.

I knew the deep state existed and that it was corrupt. But it was surprising to see the lengths it would go to to insure that a candidate didn't advance.

Of course, after watching how the deep state attacked (and continues to attack) Trump, nobody is surprised any longer.

The Ron Paul libertarians are now Trump Republicans,....and many of them are far to the right of even Trump.

Said it before and I'll say it again. The Trump Presidency if just the first iteration the New Right Nationalism,......the 101 version.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
...There is a natural, necessary function of government...Maybe support widows, orphans and cripples.


This should NOT be a function of government, to be in the charity business.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
The libertarian movement that started gaining steam under Ron Paul had a steak driven through its heart by the deep state.

It was an eye opening event for those young people who were new to politics. It was an eye opening event even for some of us old folks.

I knew the deep state existed and that it was corrupt. But it was surprising to see the lengths it would go to to insure that a candidate didn't advance.

Of course, after watching how the deep state attacked (and continues to attack) Trump, nobody is surprised any longer.

The Ron Paul libertarians are now Trump Republicans,....and many of them are far to the right of even Trump.

Said it before and I'll say it again. The Trump Presidency if just the first iteration the New Right Nationalism,......the 101 version.


Tea Party is dead too. Much the same thing.


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Originally Posted by pal
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...There is a natural, necessary function of government...Maybe support widows, orphans and cripples.


This should NOT be a function of government, to be in the charity business.



Correct.

That is what charities and the churches are for.


Tax money should not go towards that. It should be funded voluntarily and not whisked away among the rest of your tax dollars that go to the IRS.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar

Tea Party is dead too. Much the same thing.


I wouldn't say that it's dead. The Tea Party bunch were ripe for Nationalism. All it took was for a candidate to offer it to them.

The young Ron Paul libertarians had to be slapped around a bit before they went the Nationalist route. But they're there now!

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Originally Posted by Pine_Tree
For you conservatives out there, it'll also be helpful to learn what libertarians mean when they say "big L" and "little l".

Little l means libertarians (go look up the Non-Aggression Principle).

Big L means the "Libertarian" party, which is very, very often anything but.

Generally "little l" and "big L" folks won't have anything to do with each other. In my opinion, libertarians just aren't party-kinda folks, since by nature they mostly want to be left alone and are happy to leave others alone.

Good lord, it's akin to reading 'binary, fluid, trans, lesbian ' etc ways to define every freak. When in fact there are only boys and girls.

Give it a name.

People are either American (for the Constitution) or anti-American.


This. To me, it really is that simple. Way too many U.S. citizens aren't Americans, even though they think they are.

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Libertarians are Snowflakes that are too old and fat to go out and protest. Fugg’em one and all. There’s more varieties and ilks of Libertarians than there are what we now call democrats.
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I’m more of a libertarian but I see that it can never work. Oh, it is superior in every way, but as this video shows, personality and genetics determine attitudes and there are just too few people who are built that way for it to work. The best we can do is probably a sort of Burkian Classical Liberalism where private property and culture is sacrosanct and ordered liberty built on those concepts is the model. That is most likely a lost cause as well. Liberty cannot survive long where females have the vote. They are not built that way for th most part. They do not value it.


Most people in the world aren't IMO.

The major problem with several of the political systems is that they ignore or mostly fail to take into account human nature.



You know one way to ameliorate the negative effects of human nature and insure the survival of beneficial political systems? Common ethnicity and common culture. There are no universal rights of man ordained by God or nature. Natural rights are a sham. There are beliefs and cultural touchstones that create rights of long standing by common understanding and convention. These rights do not
develop equally or even similarly in every culture and they are not universal.

American style civic nationalism based on the idea of the so-called melting pot is doomed to fail. Even moreso and more quickly when not only is there no dominant culture but the vestiges of that once dominant culture are ridiculed and despised.

Sub-Saharan Africa here we come.


You both have good points the way I see it. Socialism, communism, Marxism and every iteration thereof fail because they fail to understand human nature — both it’s greed in the elites, and the effects of lack of motivation in the masses. So, failed ideologies, so adhered to by the Left.

At the risk of being labeled a misogynist (I’m not) by the left, and this is a vast generalization (which also means there is truth in it), women (note, for example, the most vociferous, vacuous leaders in the Democratic Party) seem to go off the rails sharply, their nature being more easily deceived by waves of emotion.

Contrary to leftists’ political falsehoods, all cultures are not only not equal, they are vastly unequal. Without a clear, “desirable profile” for admitted immigrants, we get, as we are now, mostly the chaff of the world as regards potential individual industry.

All of these make up leftist groups, policies, ideologies, and characteristics that slip in everywhere.



You have to realize that the greatest leftist ideology is contained in the Declaration of Independence. All men are not created equal. They are not all Americans waiting to be set free. Given that chance, they’ll take everything from you and your progeny.

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You have to realize that the greatest leftist ideology is contained in the Declaration of Independence. All men are not created equal. They are not all Americans waiting to be set free. Given that chance, they’ll take everything from you and your progeny.[/quote]

yeah we had a past governor who was fond of handing out axe handles. he told a federal judge that Georgia could run it's prisons just fine as soon as a higher caliber and better quality inmates can be attracted.


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That is some serious satire there,


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Originally Posted by steve4102
The Libertarian Party is the Brain Child of the Democrat Party, developed for the sole purpose of dividing the Right to insure Democrat victories.

In just about every election where a Democrat funded (L) appears on the ballot, the Republican candidate loses.

And the Democrat Funder (L) gets less than 10% of the vote.


You either don’t understand what libertarianism is or you’re biased by a commitment to the conservative social agenda. If the latter, you’d be a bigger person to admit it.


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I believe in giving other folks enough freedom (rope) to "hang themselves", if you will. "Progressives" think there should be a "safety net" (big government), so that doesn't happen.

Libertarians believe in giving other folks enough freedom (rope) to hang ME.

Do any of y'all see the difference?? Legalized heroin, open borders, and a general "free for all", doesn't make for a functional society. Freedom and democracy is only as useful as the people to whom it is given. It doesn't work well for greedy uneducated folks with no work ethic, looking for a chance to elect Santa Claus/Easter Bunny/Lenin/Castro all rolled into one....

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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Antelope sniper: Personally I could NOT care less about "libertarians mind sets"!
The harm these cretins have done to the American political landscape over the last few decades has been dramatic.
They siphon off the votes of somewhat conservative citizens and have given us the likes of bill "bent dick" clinton and john tester!
To name just a few.
libertarians are simply NOT smart enough to realize with a Republican voted into office they would get maybe 80% of their issues instilled, sought for - by voting libertarian and getting demonrats into office they get exactly 100% of NOTHING they would prefer.
Sad these libertarians and yet laughable at the same time.
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As usual, you are wrong on most accounts. Libertarians typically align with Liberals on social issues, so your assertion the "get nothing" when a democrat is elected is just factually wrong. Most libertarians (notice the small "l" and explained above) vote Republican because of our alignment on economic liberty.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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