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Project Coyote seeks to stop the wanton and cruel killing of native carnivores, to reform predator management, to create successful models of coexistence, and to …

We agree on respecting them, and not hating them.

I even felt remorse for killing them. Especially when I would kill 3-500 anually as a govt hunter. I didn't hate them atall.

They are excellent predators. More like "survivors and adapters", because they eat whatever they can. Not just kill.

I didn't mean that you were on the other side. But the coexisting you mention is one of the coyote hugger groups main sayings.

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Again, I don't think you are one of these nutjobs. But they are around. Especially in Las Cruces. I seen and had to deal with them there.

Drive up the mountain past Cloudcroft headed east.

When you get to Mayhill turn right and go up to Miller's Flats. Keep going to Weed, and then circle around through Sacramento, Timberon, and back to Cloudcroft from there.

Let us know how many deer you see on that circle.

Don't give me that BS about coyotes and deer living in harmony. It's about numbers. When coyote numbers get high, deer numbers get low. The area up there, they have been dangerously low. Anyone that has been in YOUR area for a long enough period of time have seen deer populations dwindle to the dangerously low levels. Why do you think NMGF went to a draw?

It's a matter of whether you want lots of deer or lots of predators. Since you say you prefer the predators, then fine. That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. But with what you typed above with the coexisting, it makes you sound more like an anti-hunter than anyone else in this thread.

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Used to see lots on that circle in the 80s. Even maybe into the 90s.

I love watching yote pups. They are fun to watch. I don't kill em all. Never have, likely never will. But we do keep em in check as needed. Other places than ours the numbers are so high that you shoot everyone you see, hoping to thin the numbers.

OTOH I"ve read some stuff, who knows if right or not, that the more you kill the more move in. Doesn't make sense to me. We have to kill a few every so many years, or they will start on our deer, and we have more deer now than we've ever had. But for the most part I know all of our local does and I have yet to see a fawn lost to a yote. IE missing. OTOH vehicles are hell on the deer and fawns.

Down were Barry lives, its that kind of country that you shoot em all, cause you probably won't see but 20% or so of whats really out there anyway.

a shame if the yotes have affected the mule deer there in NM. Never saw a yote while out there, but evidently thats changed.

Gotta love this site. It's hilarious. Type anything that can be misconstrued even a bit against the tide and immediately get labeled one of the "other side". C'mon man, you're better than that.

Since you took what I said out of context, let me make it clear once again: respect coyotes for the predators they are. Doesn't mean you have to hate them. They are wonders of nature. Excellent predators, their design honed by thousands of years of success. There is a lot to admire there. Think about it, then shoot as many as you can. That's what I do. I didn't spend 500 dollars on a caller for nothing.

Yes coyotes and deer evolved together. The numbers and balance are off because of man's interference in the eco system so we now have to be the great equalizer and as the alpha predator it is now our responsibility, but it wasn't always that way. They did evolve together and didn't mutually self destruct when everything was in balance.

Things are different now, So yes, we should kill as many as we can but there is still no reason to hate them because they do what they were designed to do. They are just animals acting out of instinct with no malice intended. We humans on the other hand, for all our intellect, can and do act out of malice quite often.

Gotta love how you deliberately provoked a response with a post laced with contempt and then pounced on the reply. You exaggerated others' positions and feigned superiority over them. Awfully full of your self. Obviously, those previous hundreds of thousands of years didn't include the current U.S. population and reduced habitat for deer, but you conveniently included it in your followup here ... after you got the response you trolled for. Congratulations on your superior knowledge and discernment with which you graced us with. It certainly didn't in anyway challenge the veracity of any point I made in my post, nor in anyone else's. You go girl.

Shoot all the coyotes you want, in the big picture it won't matter. Incidental shooting and recreational hunting has little effect on coyote populations long term overall. Also, to truly help deer the time to kill those coyotes is during the fawning time period and few people are hunting coyotes in spring and summer. To have a long term effect on coyotes you need to kill about 70% of the coyotes population and sustain that for five or more years. Incidental shooting and recreational hunters aren't going to do that. It feels good, like you're really saving some game animals by killing a coyote when you can, reality is that it really doesn't matter much.