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curdog,, i think that way too,,I an I alone draw my own conclusions! I do listen an research to either prove or disprove ,to myself the topic,,I do not try to convince anyone of my beliefs,,one should use their own mind, its called free will, I will sink or swim on what i interpret, but one way or another its on ME to find the truth as I see it,,If joining a discussusion, furthers my understanding?great! if not i drop it, the only way to impove ones mind is self improving,,

" there are really only 2 types of peaople i described. Talkers and walkers,, Walkers walk the walk without talk,, Talkers talk walkers into walking for them then talk about all the walking theyve done,,"

Well said. Reminds of another story. A very brave Lady I know acquired quite honestly the title Commandante Betty Lou, which is another story for another time. Anyway, Betty would go to most of the political events and sit and listen to the political speakers. When the events were done and everyone was standing around talking and drinking coffee, she would go up to the speakers and ask them why should she vote for them. And of course they would start with their political platforms and ideas and she would stop them. Then she would get right in their face and I do mean right in there, and she would say, "I'm a fruit inspector, I see your lips moving, where's the fruit"
I generally would try and get close to her when this would be happening to see the expression on their faces. It made me giggle every time. ………………………...Matthew 7:15-20

And once again, well said. You should be philosopher.

Good post, curdog4570. It pretty well labels where I am.

My negativism is not with the possibility Q exists, or any of that. Its the idea put forth here that if you don't believe you are somehow less than caring or whatever. I don't need someone else telling me what I should be thinking, especially when they them self don't know any definitive answers. For me, all of the Q drops are like reading tea leaves or opening fortune cookies and anyone who is hooked will find mental "salvation" and those who aren't will wander in the wilderness.

I truly believe that more is going on behind the scenes than we can see, and even possibly more than we can imagine for ourselves at this point in time. And I know where my allegiance is if its called upon, but I'm not into soap operas and lights and mirrors designed to get me there. I'm fully capable of getting there on my own without coaching from others.

Anyone who takes a moment to watch the MSM already knows that we are already in a fight for minds, and have been for quite some time in the past. A "today" example is the crap like what happened recently in Sweden that goes on regularly in Europe, but somehow our MSM fails to ever "see it" or to report on it. Their failure to report it is not new news.......

Sooo, based on this theory you offer, if you photo and write an article about your rifle and tell us the caliber is 30-06, you show close up photo's of the barrel that states it is 30-06, you show loaded rounds and fired rounds that say 30-06. Then you bring forth the witnesses, documented writings, the builder, ect all saying it is a 30-06, then your logic says that if I say I don't believe it, I call BS, that it is as valid as your proof. No reasoning needed, just feeling?

What it sounds like is, you are not interested in researching but you still want a voice.

Neighbor, I don’t own a 30 06....... I’m a Weatherby slut.


I gave up posting pictures of groups long before you wandered up to this Campfire.


But there’s a helluva difference between reading something that is from a known personality and faceless posters on a secret site.

As far as having a voice....... damn right I do.

Finally.... I offered no theory at all....... that’s your gig.

Trust But verify!!!!

You might want to pull your head out of Q's butt and go spend some quality time with your 7 kids and 15 grandkids.

Thank you, I think I will. Is there a tinge of jealousy in your post?

Just pity.

Pity is nice. Thank you for the concern.

You may have missed my point, but that's ok.

https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some_dots/

Connnecting some dots
I am passing this on from someone who's connecting some dots with input from sources he cannot reveal.

Here's what it looks like when all the pieces are sewn together

It smells like conspiracy and treason. Everyone needs to read this. Slowly, and patiently, because it’s very important......

From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

A Grand Jury had been impanelled.

Governments from around the world had donated to the “Charity”.

Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those “Donations” to the Clinton Foundation were declared. Now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.

Look who took over this investigation in 2005: None other than James Comey; Coincidence? Guess who was transferred into the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS? None other than, Lois “Be on The Look Out” (BOLO) Lerner. Isn’t that interesting?

But this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?

Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?

No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States,

Rod Rosenstein.

Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this time frame?

Another coincidence (just an anomaly in statistics and chances), but it was Robert Mueller.

What do all four casting characters have in common?

They all were briefed and/or were front-line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.

Another coincidence, right?

Fast forward to 2009....

James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.

Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, official government business, on her own personal email server.

The Uranium One “issue” comes to the attention of the Hillary.

Like all good public servants do, supposedly looking out for America’s best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.

Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasn’t, America got absolutely nothing out of it.

However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech; then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.

Ok, no big deal right? Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.

Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during this time frame? Yep, He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.

Who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorney’s Office in Maryland?

None other than, Rod Rosenstein. And what happened to the informant?

The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.

How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?

Very soon after; the sale was approved!~145 million dollars in “donations” made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.

Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division? None other than, - Lois Lerner.

Ok, that’s all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?

Let’s fast forward to 2015.

Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 “investigations” the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server.He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her “Public Service” as Secretary of State which was required by law. He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.

Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this…… they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary. .

Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013? None other than James Comey; who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer? Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?

Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the “Clinton Email Investigation” after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner “Matter” at the Internal Revenue Service and he exonerates her. Nope.... couldn’t find any crimes there.

In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy.They didn’t even convene a Grand Jury!

Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true “Gangsta” Comey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.

Do you see the pattern?

It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General,Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.

FISA Abuse, political espionage..... pick a crime, any crime, chances are...... this group and a few others did it:

All the same players.

All compromised and conflicted.

All working fervently to NOT go to jail themselves

All connected in one way or another to the Clinton's.

They are like battery acid; they corrode and corrupt everything they touch.How many lives have these two destroyed?

As of this writing, the Clinton Foundation, in its 20+ years of operation of being the largest International Charity Fraud in the history of mankind, has never been audited by the Internal Revenue Service.

Let us not forget that Comey's brother works for DLA Piper, the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation's taxes.

The person that is the common denominator to all the crimes above and still doing her evil escape legal maneuvers at the top of the 3 Letter USA Agencies?

Yep, that would be Hillary R. Clinton.

Now who is LISA BARSOOMIAN? Let’s learn a little about Mrs. Lisa H. Barsoomian’s background.

Lisa H. Barsoomian, an Attorney that graduated from Georgetown Law, is a protégé of James Comey and Robert Mueller.

Barsoomian, with her boss R. Craig Lawrence, represented Bill Clinton in 1998.

Lawrence also represented:

Robert Mueller three times;

James Comey five times;

Barack Obama 45 times;

Kathleen Sebelius 56 times;

Bill Clinton 40 times; and

Hillary Clinton 17 times.

Between 1998 and 2017, Barsoomian herself represented the FBI at least five times.

You may be saying to yourself, OK, who cares? Who cares about the work history of this Barsoomian woman?

Apparently, someone does, because someone out there cares so much that they’ve “purged” all Barsoomian court documents for her Clinton representation in Hamburg vs. Clinton in 1998 and its appeal in 1999 from the DC District and Appeals Court dockets (?). Someone out there cares so much that even the internet has been “purged” of all information pertaining to Barsoomian.

Historically, this indicates that the individual is a protected CIA operative. Additionally, Lisa Barsoomian has specialized in opposing Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the intelligence community. Although Barsoomian has been involved in hundreds of cases representing the DC Office of the US Attorney, her email address is Lisa Barsoomian at NIH.gov. The NIH stands for National Institutes of Health. This is a tactic routinely used by the CIA to protect an operative by using another government organization to shield their activities.

It’s a cover, so big deal right? What does one more attorney with ties to the US intelligence community really matter?

It deals with Trump and his recent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum imports, the border wall, DACA, everything coming out of California, the Uni-party unrelenting opposition to President Trump, the Clapper leaks, the Comey leaks, Attorney General Jeff Sessions recusal and subsequent 14 month nap with occasional forays into the marijuana legalization mix …. and last but not least Mueller’s never-ending investigation into collusion between the Trump team and-the Russians.

Why does Barsoomian, CIA operative, merit any mention?

BECAUSE….

She is Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s WIFE!

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Thinking even some of the dumb [bleep] trolls that have been posting on this thread can understand this...
Or maybe not..

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https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/96uz53/deepstate_wives/


Deepstate Wives

WHO IS NELLIE OHR?

1. We know her husband is Bruce Ohr, fourth in command at the FBI at the time the phony Trump Dossier was created by Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele for Fusion GPS.

2. We know that both Bruce and Nellie Ohr knew Steele before the Russia/Trump Dossier was plotted by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. We know Bruce Ohr was e-mailing Christopher Steele about it as early as January 2016.

3. Nellie worked at Fusion GPS. She (Dr. Ohr) is a recognized Russia expert and studied in the Soviet Union in 1989 before getting her PhD in 1990. She is said to be fluent in the Russian language and is an expert on cyber security (an unusual combination to say the least). Bruce Ohr is a Deep State husband. We know Nellie Ohr wrote the dossier for Fusion GPS and we know Bruce Ohr gave all of his wife’s writings about the Trump Russia delusion to the FBI.

4. According to a sworn statement by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson, Dr. Ohr was hired to conduct opposition research on behalf of the Clinton campaign against presidential candidate Donald Trump.

5. Nellie’s Degrees include an A.B. from Harvard and Radcliffe Colleges, major: Russian History and Literature; and an M.A. and a PhD in History at Stanford University.

6. Professional experience: She taught history at Vassar College and has written numerous book reviews (almost exclusively about Russian history… she shows a great deal of sympathy for the dilemmas Stalin faced as he killed 40 million Russians to implement and expand communism in the USSR ).

7. And here’s something Fox News (and the House Intelligence Committee memo and the Inspector General’s report) didn’t tell you: On May 23, 2016, Nellie Ohr received a technician-level amateur radio license.

As a cyber security expert, Dr. Ohr would know how difficult it is to hide any computer-or telephone-based communications from Big Brother. A mystery writer could turn this into a very good plot about how to effectively hide from cyber security experts employed by the U.S. government. Your message can be delivered without being discovered by using a short-wave radio which puts you in touch with people in foreign countries — like Christopher Steele — while preventing you from having to register as someone who is doing business with foreign agents.

WHO IS MELISSA HODGMAN?

1. Melissa Hodgman’s career at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) began in 2008 as an Enforcement Division staff attorney. As of 2016, her salary was reported as $229,968 (according to the Internet).

2. Hodgman was promoted to her current position as Associate Director in 2012. Wow! Talk about a rising star! Ms. Hodgman – or perhaps I should say Mrs. Peter Strzok – appears to have had a rocket send her career to Wonderland… from beginning staff attorney to Assistant Director in four years!

Peter Strzok is a Deep State FBI husband.

Hodgman must be admired for being very quiet as her husband’s romantic episode with Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyer Lisa Page has been media-blasted on front pages world-wide. Or perhaps the Page episode was part of a plot? The email-based romance was first discovered by the Inspector General at the DOJ who was conducting an investigation into the FBI and DOJ’s handling of the Clinton investigation.

3. Ms. Hodgman-Strzok’s career boost happened at precisely the time the FBI needed someone at the SEC to, if need be, control access to any illicit contributions or other transactions from publicly-traded entities (like governments and corporations) involving the Clinton Foundation.

In July 2016, James Comey publicly stated Mrs. Clinton had been “extremely careless” when she used a personal email server. He told the world she would not be prosecuted . Keep in mind, it was Peter Strzok who changed the words “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” when Comey made his first statement about Mrs. Clinton’s actions as Secretary of State.

Why is that important? Had Mrs. Clinton been found “grossly negligent” she would have been guilty of a felony. Indeed, she was guilty of a felony. Also keep in mind it was the job of Attorney General Loretta Lynch, not FBI Director James Comey, to determine who would or would not be prosecuted.

4. In October 2016, more than 600,000 Clinton emails were found on former Congressman Anthony Weiner’s computer (which he shared with his wife, long-term Clinton aide Uma Abedin) while Weiner was being investigated for “sexting” with a minor.

5. James Comey had to announce that he was re-opening the Clinton investigation. He had no choice because the information had gotten into the hands of the New York Police Department and so was no longer under the exclusive control of the FBI or DOJ.

Perhaps Comey was looking for an insurance policy at the SEC. The timing is interesting. Hodgman-Strzok was appointed to her position as Associate Director of the Enforcement Division of the SEC just three weeks before the presidential election and just hours after the Weiner emails were discovered. It appears Hodgman-Strzok has oversight over which securities and financial crime cases get forwarded to the FBI and DOJ for prosecution. Mrs. Hodgman-Strzok heads the SEC’s International Division.

6. Have you wondered why action against Hillary Clinton moves at 0 mph? Bear in mind, a great many of the transactions involving the Clinton Foundation involve international financial transactions and investment vehicles. Is the SEC Inspector General investigating any irregularities involving the SEC’s interactions with the Clinton Foundation? It does not appear so.

WHO IS LISA H. BARSOOMIAN

1. She has been called “…the Guardian of the Deep State’s Secrets Gate.” If it’s true, it is a well-earned nickname. Why? Try researching her on the Internet! She doesn’t have a shadow of a presence. It is obvious that many things about her have been removed.

2. She is referred to as “the cleaner” in the one available Internet document (“cleaner” meaning a person who knows how to destroy evidence of a crime). The document which makes the statement does not provide specific reference material and supplies a lot of potential gossip about Ms. Barsoomian so I mention it here only as a aside.

3. Her Deep State Husband is Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

As for the one document on the Internet that I find a bit suspicious: There is too little specific information and too many general comments. I don’t like “anonymous sources.” I did go to some federal court cases in which Mrs. Barsoomian-Rosenstein was mentioned as having taken part but the public documents have been removed from public access.

4. One document is reliable. It is the online bio about Assistant Attorney General Rosenstein. It states that Rosenstein is married to Lisa Barsoomian, an Armenian-American lawyer. It also says that as a government attorney she defended cases for Bill Clinton, Colin Powell, various Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) cases and the “Carnivore” surveillance system (which monitors and captures e-mail).

I believe when she defended the FOIA cases she defended the FBI for rejecting them.

5. The Rosenstein bio says Mrs. Barsoomian-Rosenstein has been practicing law for 24 years and she works for the National Institute of Health (NIH).

I doubt that’s where she works. Internet information indicates Mrs. Barsoomian-Rosenstein is/was affiliated with another lawyer named R. Craig Lawrence who, according to cases listed on Mr. Lawrence’s Web site has represented Robert Muller three times, James Comey five times, Barack Obama 45 times, Kathleen Sebelius 56 times, Bill Clinton 40 times and Hillary Clinton 17 times. Another source says that between 1998 and 2017 Barsoomian herself represented the FBI at least five times.

6. Of all the Deep State husbands I researched, this one is the most chilling. She is probably a bit like her smug husband with that smirk on his face as he was interviewed by a legitimate Congressional Committee (not that Congress is much to write home about).

WHO IS SABINA MENSCHEL?

1. Sabina Menschel is the current head of Nardello & Company, a Washington, D.C. detective agency. Internet sources say she is a 1999 Harvard graduate and her resume indicates intelligence experience.

2. Her Deep State husband is someone about whom you have not yet heard a lot: Edward William Priestap, assistant director of the FBI Counterintelligence Division since 2015.

3. Bill Priestap was Peter Strzok’s supervisor and oversaw both the Russia and Clinton investigations.

4. It is said that Mrs. Menschel-Priestap is one of Washington D.C.’s most feared private spies.

Author Marilyn M Barnewall

In addition to the above wives, here are a few more

WHO IS MARY JACOBY ?

1. Co founder and executive at Fusion GPS and wife of Glenn Simpson.

2. Worked as a reporter for Roll Call

3. She knew Bruce and Nellie Ohr from their days at the International Assessment and Strategy Center as early
as 2004.

4. Knew and worked with Stefan Halper at the WSJ since 1996.

5. Knew Steele from her days at the WSJ going back to 2009.

6. Founded Main Justice in 2009, a company specializing in paid corruption research and reporting.

7. Jacoby also worked as a reporter for organizations such as GIR, and Law Business Research (which purchasedMain Justice in 2015). While at Main Justice, she worked with Bruce Ohr and in fact nominated his FIFA investigation for the GIR Anti-Corruption award.

8. While working in Main Justice, GIR, Law Business Research, and the WSJ, Jacoby cultivated a large network ofkey Federal (FBI, SEC, and DOJ) executives that included notables such as Adam Hickey, the Deputy Assistant Attorney General for National Security at the DOJ who was familiar with the dossier and the FISA applicationand Andrew Weissmann, the Chief of the DOJ’s criminal fraud section, who is now working for Robert Mueller the Special Counsel investigating the alleged Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and leading theManafort prosecution.

9. Jacoby knew and worked with Christopher Steele, Nellie Ohr, Peter Strzok and his wife Melissa Hodgman the Associate Director in SEC Enforcement Division, Peter Fritsch, Neil King Jr. and his wife Shailagh Murray, DavidKramer, Jonathan Winer, and Sidney Blumenthal who worked with her at Salon in 2004.

WHO IS SHAILAGH MURRAY ?

1. Wife of Neil King Jr. who is an executive at Fusion GPS.

2. She was President Obama’s Senior Policy Advisor.

3. She was also Joe Biden’s Deputy-Chief-of-Staff.

All good dimocommies taking care of us. Djs and sickermore will be proud.

Those are both good summaries of what has been going on, but none of it is "new news". Its been floating around for quite some time in bits and pieces with connections being made on the various "inbreeding in high places" that was going on during the Obama fiasco.

All were getting rich and some were gaining more power as necessary to keep the "machine" finely oiled........... Hopefully it will all end and a bunch of people will finally "pay the piper" with Trump stirring the pot, but time will tell.

This article gives a cogent explanation of what we see happening in what Trump calls "the swamp." It's great food for thought although a bit frightening!

Dr. Jack D. Minzey died Sunday, 8 April 2018

Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as author of numerous books, most of which were on Education and the Government's role.

This is the last of his works:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Civil War

How do civil wars happen?


Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to civil war.


The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.


What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That's a civil war.

There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.


This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.


Your very own dictatorship.


The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's a civil war.

Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that now runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.


If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything - and I mean ANYTHING. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.


But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.


Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club.


Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That's not a free country.

It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win... WON.


Have no doubt. We are in a civil war.

This war is between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing it.

I see this guy as a head in the sand leftist. Truth or the pursuit therof are without value. These characters must want communism.