Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles 280AI vs 270 Winchester

"Bigger is better, except when I say it's not."

For the record Coyote Hunter is a tool and a slob hunter.

Keep telling yourself that. Are you including the one you gut shot that jumped onto private?

That is the one.

If you've never lost an animal, good for you.

You DUMB Fhuqks trying to Out-DUMBfhuqk one another,by simply doing your BEST...is never not fhuqking HILARIOUS! Congratulations?!?

Firstly,a 1-10" SALAMI 7-08 at Milford Altitude,will stabilize the 162 A-Max in all Milford weathers. The ELD M's can get a touch zooky,but most have more favorable atmospherics. Hint.

There's nothing .277" that'll hang for anything serious,with a .284". Hint.

I LOVED Coyote's quote: "I'm not really arguing for or against a .270 or one of the .28's as much as I am the stupidity of claims that a particular cartridge is "better" because of a higher B.C. bullet for it. B.C. values don't make a lot of difference until well past where most shots are taken. I used 160g Speer Grand Slams, B.C. .389, in my 7mm RM for 20+ years and never realized I was handicapped. My last elk was taken with a 160g Grand Slam at 411 lasered yards (4 steps and down forever) and would have been just at dead at much longer ranges".

Granting that "exciting" .284" 160 Grand Slum a courteous velocity of 3050fps in a 24" 7mm Remmie Manglum,despite alllllllllll that bearing surface,a 21" Barrett 7-08 will simply fhuqking CRUSH it,with a "lowly" 2600fps launch of a 180 ELD M(Alpha 308 false shoulders,'17 and a mag fed Smooch,lit with 200's).

160GS at 3050fps. Fhuqking HINT.



Pardon the 180 ELD,more than DOUBLING the BC and it do tend to "matter". Despite only eating 42grs of propellant,to do so,in a 3" shorter spout. Fhuqking HINT.



It prolly don't suck either,that 400yd wind drift in like conditions,is nearly 50% of the Grand Slum's. And if a 7mm Remmie Mag launched 160gr Grand Slum gets "impressiver" at distances beyond the HILARIOUS 411yd Delusion,then you'll need to wear a fhuqking seatbelt,to squirt a Barrett 180 there too,so as to keep all of the fhuqking STUPID from falling out of you. Hint. LAUGHING!

No thang to reliably connect ALL dots,let Facts and Physics work their Splendors,while connecting the Holy Trinity of Dots with Twist,Throat Geometry and COAL latitude...which the Barrett more than do,in S/A guise(s).

Now in fairness,it's been (10) whole days since I've seen a Bear with a Brown coat and 'bout 17 minutes ago for one wearing Black(had to check Mail). Fhuqk the Nuzzler 175 NPT,it's a whopping piece of fhuqking schit,from start to finish. One needn't fret zooking a Barrett launched 180 ELD,from boot lace,to the Transonic slip(1550yds +),in the current atmosphere. Add 5000',you get a free 300yd Slip Pass to 1850yds. Hint.

162 ELD M on left,175 Nuzzler amidship and 180 ELD to Starboard. I KNOW I've got some Grand Slums around here,but cain't get a locate. Keep in mind,all that glitters AIN'T fhuqking golden and Peterson easily remains THE schittiest brass on the fhuqking Planet. Hint. LAUGHING!



I've "prolly" got a "few" 30's too and there is NOT a single fhuqking instance,where they've a leg up on a .284". Why?!? Boolits you DUMB Fhuqks. I'm rather at ease with a 7-08 and Today's projectiles,there too...though I prolly gun a few other 7 Em-Em's. Hint. LAUGHING!

Do having 32.7 Mils of erector available from a Ruger RAPER 243 Kreedmire suck? Nope. Do Smooching the beloved Hornie 105 BTHP from multiple mag types(S/S ACS,C/M AICS and poly 'Pul's) slated to same suck? Nope. Do it "compromise" terminal effects at boot lace distances? NOPE. Do Alpha shine there too? YEP! Hint. Laughing!




You "hard chargers" be sure to peruse Google and spruce your "skills" up more than a smidge,as I best get to yarding parcels open,as 3-1/2 month Gestation Periods,tend to make me fhuqking curious. Hint. laughing!



Never been difficult to cypher...who shoots and who don't. Jeezus fhuqk,you AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqks never disappoint,in oblivious HILARITY!

Take notes and apply same,then thank me later.

Hint.

Bless your hearts.

Laughing!

BINGO!..........................

How about the one you hit "a little far back" but never found?

…
At 300 yards:

.257 Roberts, 110AB @ 3163fps:
Powder charge 46.5g
Drop = 3”
Drift = 5”
Velocity = 2618fps
Energy = 1674fps
Recoil = 13.2 ft-lbs @ 10.2fps

280 Nosler, 180 ELD Match @ 3000fps
Powder charge 90.6g
Drop = 3”
Drift = 2.7”
Velocity = 2716fps
Energy = 2947fps
Recoil = 38.6 ft-lbs @ 17.5fps
…

At 300 yards:

.257 Roberts, 110AB @ 3163fps:
Powder charge 46.5g
Drop = 3”
Drift = 5”
Velocity = 2618fps
Energy = 1674fpe
Recoil = 13.2 ft-lbs @ 10.2fps

280 Nosler, 180 ELD Match @ 3000fps
Powder charge 90.6g
Drop = 3”
Drift = 2.7”
Velocity = 2716fps
Energy = 2947fpe
Recoil = 38.6 ft-lbs @ 17.5fps

......so then the OP..........bought a box of Corlokts, kilt him a deer, and lived happily ever after.



The end.

There's nothing .277" that'll hang for anything serious,with a .284"......

I think the only thing a .280AI has over the .270Win is bullet selection

How about the one you hit "a little far back" but never found?

The .280 AI will never equal the 7MM Rem Mag. I can easily get 3100 FPS using 160 grain Partitions with a 24" barreled 7MM Rem Mag. I get 3000 FPS with 175 Partitions. 3200 FPS is no problem with 150 Ballistic Tips. All of my reloads shoot safely in my rifle. The reality is the velocity advantage of the 7MM Rem Mag vis-a-vis the .280 Rem & .280 AI add up to zero. My 7MM Rem Mag ain't gonna kill any deader than a .280 Rem. The .280 Rem ain't gonna kill any deader than the .270 Win

There is no practical advantage of the 7MM Rem Mag vis-a-vis the .280 Rem or .280 AI.

There is magic in .284 caliber sectional densities. They'll shoot farther than 99% of hunters are capable of shooting & they'll penetrate the heck outta big game they hit.

The only problem is .284 caliber bullets don't kill any deader than .277 caliber bullets of the same construction; e.g., Partitions.

Were I given a hunting rifle do-over, I'd buy one good-quality (Sako) .280 Rem and never need another rifle. Except for the legendary penetration of the 175 grain .284 caliber bullet, it ain't a better cartridge than the .270 Win.

I could kill all the big game I intend to hunt, including huge bull elk, with one of my .270 Win rifles. There ain't a better Rocky Mountain mule deer cartridge than the .270 Win.

I love my Sako 7MM Rem Mag. But it's too damned heavy to carry over high ridges of the Rockies.

From here on out, it'll be done with one of my .270 Win rifles.

In the end, it's all preference. The reality is a .308 Win carbine might run at the top of best North American big game rifles, provided you know how to close distance and get within 300 yards of what you intend to affix a tag.