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The Landowners on the border don’t speak with one voice as far as to HOW best to secure the border. But all I’ve talked to realize that more boots on the ground are needed and that the Federal Government needs to quit giving illegal aliens protected status when they trespass or break other State Laws.
And..... a Billionaire from Florida has been buying up large ranches in the Trans Pecos for years. He doesn’t run cattle or allow hunting so it’s a mystery as to what his purpose is. One rumor is that he is trying to acquire a million acres of contiguous land and apply for a Nuclear Waste disposal permit.He bought 200k acres that we used to lease for hunting south of Sanderson.
Oh sweet Jesus. Texas gossip circles. How about you answering my question? Do you think Trump really thought he could build a “ big, beautiful , wall the length of our southern border”, or was he blowing smoke? It’s really not a question of if you can build a wall. The question is location. Obviously it want run down the middle of the Rio Grande. We now have check points on the highways leading up from the border on major roads. ( there is not that many roads ) Hasbeen
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No..... but close enough.
I think my interpretation of your ridiculous question is spot on and anybody with an IQ over 6 would know it. The higher you go in the managerial food chain the more conceptual your ideas should become and the less technical your knowledge should be. This promotes innovation and leaves it to people underneath you to figure out the details. So did Trump have a nuanced understanding of the complexities of his ultimate goal? No. Did the average Trump voter expect him to? Of course not. The bottom line is that President Trump is messaging something that needs to be messaged and even if he achieves 1/16 of his original intent, that is a 1/16th that goes toward benefiting the United States and not subtracting from the United States.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I’m obliged for the explanation.
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If California can build a 100 billion dollar train to no where I think the United States government can build a 33 billion dollar wall across our southern border. As soon as the illegals cross hand them a pick and a shovel. Cheap labor. Done deal.
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My preferred solution is for the US to allow Texas to peacefully secede. Then y’all can build a wall along the Red River.
Were that to happen you'd be a Mexican state (again) inside 5 years. If that's what you want just go ahead and move to chihuahua. What? You think them 11 million or so Hispanic Texans actually want to be part of Mexico? Most of them have never even been, and most of those that have quit going when the Narcos took over Northern Mexico, its been that way for at least ten or fifteen years now.
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Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled.
What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built?
Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops.
Huh? Highway 90 is the only road going west from Del Rio, between Langtry where Hwy 90 runs inland, and Marathon, more than 100 miles to the west, there essentially is no pavement between Hwy 90 and Mexico, and Marathon is about 80 miles north of the Border.
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Location: El Paso to the gulf
Just run that fence along Federal Hwy 90. Except at the few towns along that route.
Put in guard houses every 25 miles or so. Landowners need access to their land.
Anyone that has permission to go past the fence, let them in.
So the wets would be trapped inside and easy to find. Have border patrol watch as currently is the fashion.
All other details can be worked out.
Ranchers don't lose a ranch, traffic still flows and no water loss. I'll bet the feds already own that right of way for that Hwy.
The banking Mellon family has a huge ranch out there somewhere. CEO's from all over the country fly into that ranch for R&R.
Just an idea.
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Some figures for scale of reference....
Length of the US/Mexico Border ~ 2,000 miles
Boots on the ground every 1/4 mile (avg.) time four shifts = 32,000 agents.
Total workforce of just the NYPD ~ 55,000.
Annual operating budget ~ $5.6 billion.
Pop. New York City ~ 8.5 million
Cost of NYPD ~ $659/resident
Total workforce of the US Border Patrol ~ 61,000.
Operating budget ~ $13 billion
Pop. USA ~ 325 million
Cost of BP ~ $40/citizen
Total discretionary budget of the US Govt (other than military) ~ $500 billion
Add $10 billion to the BP budget, hire another 40,000 agents and put em all on the Border.
A whole lot easier than a wall Not sure where you got your numbers but they're wrong. Good luck keeping 40K on staff. Will never happen. The numbers came from NYPD and USBP's own websites. The point being of course that as a nation, if the Border Patrol is any indication we are investing minimal time and effort securing our Borders, the 13 billion spent at present is a relative pittance. Good luck adding 40,000 people to the 61,000 already on staff? Heck, if that isn't doable, good luck building that wall, which will require extra staff to man in anyhow. OTOH if we actually did have eyes on the Border, 24/7, all along its length, and sufficient personnel to back it up, we wouldn't need a wall nearly so bad.
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Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled.
What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built?
Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops.
Huh? Highway 90 is the only road going west from Del Rio, between Langtry where Hwy runs inland, and Marathon, more than 100 miles to the west, there essentially is no pavement between Hwy 90 and Mexico, and Marathon is about 80 miles north of the Border. I didn't look at a map Mike, so we will have to suck the wall down south in that area.
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My preferred solution is for the US to allow Texas to peacefully secede. Then y’all can build a wall along the Red River.
Were that to happen you'd be a Mexican state (again) inside 5 years. If that's what you want just go ahead and move to chihuahua. What? You think them 11 million or so Hispanic Texans actually want to be part of Mexico? Most of them have never even been, and most of those that have quit going when the Narcos took over Northern Mexico, its been that way for at least ten or fifteen years now. Likely wasting my breath, but here goes. You read more into what I said than what was there. I didn't say the umpteen million hispanics already in TX would simply swap flags. My statement was made on the literal interpretation of curdog's post. If we were to build a wall on the Red River, and treat it as has been stated most Americans would like the Rio Grande, then without the rest of the U.S. to bear the brunt of the illegal invasion, TX would simply absorb all that crosses her southern border. I took a wild stab at 5 years before you were overrun and a vote was held to either join Mexico as another state, or simply be annexed in a hostile fashion.
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Some figures for scale of reference....
Length of the US/Mexico Border ~ 2,000 miles
Boots on the ground every 1/4 mile (avg.) time four shifts = 32,000 agents.
Total workforce of just the NYPD ~ 55,000.
Annual operating budget ~ $5.6 billion.
Pop. New York City ~ 8.5 million
Cost of NYPD ~ $659/resident
Total workforce of the US Border Patrol ~ 61,000.
Operating budget ~ $13 billion
Pop. USA ~ 325 million
Cost of BP ~ $40/citizen
Total discretionary budget of the US Govt (other than military) ~ $500 billion
Add $10 billion to the BP budget, hire another 40,000 agents and put em all on the Border.
A whole lot easier than a wall Not sure where you got your numbers but they're wrong. Good luck keeping 40K on staff. Will never happen. The numbers came from NYPD and USBP's own websites. The point being of course that as a nation, if the Border Patrol is any indication we are investing minimal time and effort securing our Borders, the 13 billion spent at present is a relative pittance. Good luck adding 40,000 people to the 61,000 already on staff? Heck, if that isn't doable, good luck building that wall, which will require extra staff to man in anyhow. OTOH if we actually did have eyes on the Border, 24/7, all along its length, and sufficient personnel to back it up, we wouldn't need a wall nearly so bad. They use lots of sensors plus night vision. Night vision can cover 50 miles in a valley. I have been stopped by them at 2:00 am before. Watch for the black vans with the periscopes, that what's they are doing. very current equipment
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Location: El Paso to the gulf
Just run that fence along Federal Hwy 90. Except at the few towns along that route.
Put in guard houses every 25 miles or so. Landowners need access to their land.
Anyone that has permission to go past the fence, let them in.
So the wets would be trapped inside and easy to find. Have border patrol watch as currently is the fashion.
All other details can be worked out.
Ranchers don't lose a ranch, traffic still flows and no water loss. I'll bet the feds already own that right of way for that Hwy.
The banking Mellon family has a huge ranch out there somewhere. CEO's from all over the country fly into that ranch for R&R.
Just an idea. Stroke of genius  , except east of Del Rio I'd run that fence along 277 past Eagle Pass to El Indio, 1472 to Laredo, and then 83/281/4 as necessary clear to Boca Chica Beach ('course parts lower down are already fenced).
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Don't know anything about East of Del Rio, so let's go with you're choice of rds. out there. I just know it's real open spaced for many miles west of Del Rio.
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I’m obliged for the explanation. I’m obliged for your obliging. Dave PS-Can one of you drive over to Birdwatcher’s ghetto pad and explain he should stick to hummingbirds and bicycles?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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No..... but close enough.
I think my interpretation of your ridiculous question is spot on and anybody with an IQ over 6 would know it. The higher you go in the managerial food chain the more conceptual your ideas should become and the less technical your knowledge should be. This promotes innovation and leaves it to people underneath you to figure out the details. So did Trump have a nuanced understanding of the complexities of his ultimate goal? No. Did the average Trump voter expect him to? Of course not. The bottom line is that President Trump is messaging something that needs to be messaged and even if he achieves 1/16 of his original intent, that is a 1/16th that goes toward benefiting the United States and not subtracting from the United States. Stop saying stuff I agree with!
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PS-Can one of you drive over to Birdwatcher’s ghetto pad and explain he should stick to hummingbirds and bicycles? Ya, they could explain to me why expanding the present Border Patrol by 2/3 is impossible, or at least much more difficult than adding about another 1,500 miles of wall to the Border.
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PS-Can one of you drive over to Birdwatcher’s ghetto pad and explain he should stick to hummingbirds and bicycles? Ya, they could explain to me why expanding the present Border Patrol by 2/3 is impossible, or at least much more difficult than adding about another 1,500 miles of wall to the Border. Every time the government has had a big hiring spree for the BP the Cartels slip some of their guys onto the force. Now, that’s according to a few Agents I’ve talked with over the years. You probably should google it to make sure. Unless the ROE has changed in the last couple of years, each time a BP Agent fires his weapon, the FBI must investigate. That doesn’t help their morale. A tripped sensor requires them to investigate but they have no way of knowing if it’s Juan and Maria coming over here to work or some bad hombres with guns. It ain’t a job I would want. Besides......my Spanish ain’t up to the job.
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Ok , I’m not going through every post. Has anyone stated that if you hire an illegal Immigrant ... you are are arrested. That simple!!!!!!
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Ok , I’m not going through every post. Has anyone stated that if you hire an illegal Immigrant ... you are are arrested. That simple!!!!!! Fake id’s can fool you. Few check beyond that but a 10k$ fine would help.
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Ok , I’m not going through every post. Has anyone stated that if you hire an illegal Immigrant ... you are are arrested. That simple!!!!!! The illegal Mfer that killed the girl in IA had perfect "legal" ID and everything else it took ta get a job. Only thing simple, is you.
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