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Not in favor of ED at all. However a "right of way" in areas where a fence or wall would be north of the river can be an option with landowner access to what is rightfully theirs south of said barrier BUT the landowner would have to agree with this and not be forced to accept it as in ED.
Land owners on the border MUST in no way impede the closing of the border however their land usage Must be considered.
Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Take 5 miles on the meskin side, build the wall, blow the tunnels shut, dredge the rio grande, and build massive Coast Guard facilities in extreme SW cali and SE Texas for all the sneak arounders!
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Apparently you think taking peoples land compromise.You must be from the west, I notice those [bleep] side with socialism every time land comes up.
Da, komrade, socialist to the boneski! We will BURY YOU, Amerikanski land owner, the land will be siezed for collective good! Our Mexican revolutionary brothers are poised to strike very soon, and then WE will build "the wall", to keep YOU in, just like we did in GDR, back in glorious '61! Ha! Moron...
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Some figures for scale of reference....
Length of the US/Mexico Border ~ 2,000 miles
Boots on the ground every 1/4 mile (avg.) time four shifts = 32,000 agents.
Total workforce of just the NYPD ~ 55,000.
Annual operating budget ~ $5.6 billion.
Pop. New York City ~ 8.5 million
Cost of NYPD ~ $659/resident
Total workforce of the US Border Patrol ~ 61,000.
Operating budget ~ $13 billion
Pop. USA ~ 325 million
Cost of BP ~ $40/citizen
Total discretionary budget of the US Govt (other than military) ~ $500 billion
Add $10 billion to the BP budget, hire another 40,000 agents and put em all on the Border.
A whole lot easier than a wall Not sure where you got your numbers but they're wrong. Good luck keeping 40K on staff. Will never happen.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Just a quick note: Border and water rights are set by treaty. The wall doesn't have to be built ON the border. Neither would a wall establish the border. Side note: You wouldn't be reading this without eminent domain action. It's necessary to establish power transmission right-of-ways, particularly on valuable agricultural land. Fairly routine, there are greedy and just plain weird people out there. All correct.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Who is advocating for an unmanned wall?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Not in favor of ED at all. However a "right of way" in areas where a fence or wall would be north of the river can be an option with landowner access to what is rightfully theirs south of said barrier BUT the landowner would have to agree with this and not be forced to accept it as in ED.
Land owners on the border MUST in no way impede the closing of the border however their land usage Must be considered.
Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Take 5 miles on the meskin side, build the wall, blow the tunnels shut, dredge the rio grande, and build massive Coast Guard facilities in extreme SW cali and SE Texas for all the sneak arounders!  Improved fishing opportunities !!!!!
One man with courage makes a majority....
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But of course! 
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Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Who is advocating for an unmanned wall? Not you or me
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I've thought from the beginning that a wall is a bad idea. We have a serious immigration problem and the wall won't fix it. They'll always find a way over, under, or around it.
We need to eliminate the reason they want to come here. Make it impossible to work, get rid of freebies, most certainly eliminate any chance of citizenship or voting. Outlaw illegal immigrant drivers licenses and free health care. Gee, too bad you can't stand up in Congress and bounce that off the chrome domes in residence. The effects of half of these would deter a yuge amount of illegals. None of this, of course, would be acceptable to the left. Because border security and our sovereignty, after all, aren't what they're after, anyway. And has really little to do with just our country.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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Not Trump either. He signed an EO mandating 10K more of those stupid green [bleep].
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Who is advocating for an unmanned wall? Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled. What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built? Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops.
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"A Few Good Men" speech comes to mind....
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Whatever. Good luck with that wall. Meanwhile, every State in this country is begging for wetbacks to wash dishes or milk cows. and kill young girls Take that up with the farmer that imports those guys for cheap labor. I'm sure he's the only farmer in Iowa that does that. and there is the problem, agricultural labor...….the farmers and ranchers brought them here...….growing up in az, all the ag guys had wetbacks. they didn't swim the river and walk out a carpenter.....bob
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just put the dang wall up ,patrol it, shoot`em if they cross in its that easy, in one year these Mexicans will learn to stay in there worthless country. and don`t feed them either,no medical help nothing ! its time to be tough !
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Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Who is advocating for an unmanned wall? Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled. What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built? Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops. that sounds good but only if they can be turned away...…..not fed....watered.....etc....turn around and walk back.....bob
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Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled.
What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built?
Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops.
Huh?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It appears to me (and I havve looked over every post) only 2 posts mentioned water.
Folks in most of the country under-estimate just HOW important access to water is. From livestock water to irrigation water to drinking water to navigation - water is of PRIME importance in the southwest!
A wall in the river is very improbable and impractical, getting the Mexicans to cede their side of the river is just as problematic as getting US to cede ours.
Evidently, many here have never seen a good old southwest flash flood - and I've seen some BIG ones - they'll remove things and re-route entire watercourses.
Because we're in drought doesn't mean we'll always be in drought.
Got to be another way. You live in a border state, Mark, so you are not to be taken seriously. Don’t you know that knowledge about the southern border increases the farther you get from it? and just what knowledge is there to know? you act like it is some big secret that only border states can understand.....bob
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You can always tell a Texan, you just can't him much.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Closing our borders needs to be our focus, Any wall or fence is breach able if not guarded. Having a physical barrier for the borders entire length is not feasible but closing the border is doable. More than one way to skin a cat..... Who is advocating for an unmanned wall? Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled. What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built? Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops. Creative "cat skinning" yes sir. Diligent patrols in the right places would be just as effective. "Build that Wall" was a good campaign slogan for the folks that were not aware of the realities of the border but educating them on those same realities is essential now. I remember arguing with folks about this during the campaign. "Control" the border first and then "guard" against the next liberal Yankee bleeding heart azzhat that wants to come along and open it back up for political reasons.
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Of course a wall has to be manned and patrolled.
What if we started manning and patrolling the place where the prospective wall is to be built?
Shocking idea, I know...... patrolling close to the actual border.Hiway 90 is so much easier on the troops.
Huh? Don’t act shocked. I’m pretty sure that you know the de facto border in the Trans Pecos has been US Hwy 90 for decades now. It is no slam on the BP..... they do the best they can with the hand they have been dealt. They patrol Hwy 90 and respond to sightings and tripped sensors in the area south of there. But..... you know that. Don’t you?
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