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That was great, Bristoe. Thanks for posting it.

what's time to a hawg anyways?

My dear sister is one of those special lot that firmly believes the Earth is somewhere around six thousand years old...I just think she is a [bleep]-wit.

My point in discussing this stuff is because people want to have differences of opinion on the age of the Earth and how long it took God to create the Universe when it's mentioned a few times in the Bible that time doesn't exist in God's realm as it does on Earth.

Therefore, it's meaningless to have discussions concerning those matters while using our understanding of time.

Totally. Seven days is negotiable because the science of geology is easily understood and one would look like a dipschit if they said well the earth is a few thousand years old. So seven days is meaningless to talk about because God and Genesis. Time is different in heaven earth, duh, erryone knows that..

But species changing into other things, and man appearing to be part of that, well that's a hard line in the sand. Ain't nothing different there. Doesn't happen in heaven, doesn't happen on earth, because God and Genesis.

Which parts are negotiable and which aren't? The science each individual understands and/or ignores?

what's time to a hawg anyways?

You are making no sense. About what am I a liar?

If I am anthropomorphizing God, why is he telling Cane to listen?

And you didn't answer my question about Psalm 19:1-2. What do we do with that? The heavens have been revealing a tale of a definite beginning....billions of years ago (by our measure). To deny this suggests that Satan has unlimited power to overrule God's vast message. He is the great deceiver - but that's giving him too much credit, I think. To go that far, we'd have to allow that he has the power to corrupt the word and the laws of God.

At this point in my studies, I have to question which God is greater - the God who is the ultimate conjurer, or the God who is all-knowing, to and beyond the point that he can design a system that works in ways we are just beginning to understand through science - in some ways that by most expectations should be impossible. I suspect that these two versions of God are one and the same - but it is we who are seeing him differently. A God who can design the working biological cell is infinitely wise and powerful, in my current perception. But to one who remains ignorant or refuses to give credit to science, He would still look like the ultimate magician. I'm perfectly willing to accept that I may be wrong, but I find it really hard to believe that God would encourage us to learn about his creation, make it uncannily accommodating to discovery, and then expect us to disbelieve what we see.

Tell her this.

2 Peter 3:8

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

[quote=Ringman][quote=FreeMe]. I'm perfectly willing to accept that I may be wrong, but I find it really hard to believe that God would encourage us to learn about his creation, make it uncannily accommodating to discovery, and then expect us to disbelieve what we see.

Bingo.

If I am anthropomorphizing God, why is he telling Cane to listen?

And you didn't answer my question about Psalm 19:1-2. What do we do with that? The heavens have been revealing a tale of a definite beginning....billions of years ago (by our measure). To deny this suggests that Satan has unlimited power to overrule God's vast message. He is the great deceiver - but that's giving him too much credit, I think. To go that far, we'd have to allow that he has the power to corrupt the word and the laws of God.

At this point in my studies, I have to question which God is greater - the God who is the ultimate conjurer, or the God who is all-knowing, to and beyond the point that he can design a system that works in ways we are just beginning to understand through science - in some ways that by most expectations should be impossible. I suspect that these two versions of God are one and the same - but it is we who are seeing him differently. A God who can design the working biological cell is infinitely wise and powerful, in my current perception. But to one who remains ignorant or refuses to give credit to science, He would still look like the ultimate magician. I'm perfectly willing to accept that I may be wrong, but I find it really hard to believe that God would encourage us to learn about his creation, make it uncannily accommodating to discovery, and then expect us to disbelieve what we see.

How very progressive of you to allow Bibles in your home other than the good old King James Version.

You are aware, I assume, that your favorite Bible translation, The New American Standard Bible, says that Jesus is fallen from heaven, right? That's Satanic. Perhaps you should stick with the good old King James, like I do.

"“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!" - NASB

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" - KJV

Jesus is the Morning Star (Revelations 2:28), and your favorite Bible translation says he's thrown from heaven, i.e., that Jesus is Lucifer.

This is just one of many of the subtle Satanic deceptions found in that translation.

My point in discussing this stuff is because people want to have differences of opinion on the age of the Earth and how long it took God to create the Universe when it's mentioned a few times in the Bible that time doesn't exist in God's realm as it does on Earth.

Therefore, it's meaningless to have discussions concerning those matters while using our understanding of time.

You reject God's Word ...

Recognition that the Bible frequently teaches truth through metaphor isn't rejection of God's word.

Do you believe that God reached to the ground, picked up some dust in his hands, and molded it into a man?

Do you believe a man that was beaten half to death by Roman soldiers, crucified, and stabbed in the heart with a spear just to make sure.......came back from the dead after three days and walked through a wall to say hi to his friends and let them know he was okay....among other things?