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I had a 6.5 Creed in a Howa that was an excellent shooter with W760 powder, but I sold it. I replaced it with a Model 700, and want to experiment a little more than I did with the Howa. I have a lot of IMR430 powder, and rarely use it anymore, and was thinking about trying it in the 6.5, but everything I read seems to prefer H4350.
Just wondering if anyone has used the IMR4350, and if so, would care to share some information.
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I use it in mine with the 120 Barnes. I’m loading their recommended max. I have a 6.5-06 on the way. I plan on trying the 120 Barnes and IMR 4350 in it also. I use IMR 4350 in many different calibers, always accurate for me.
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I use it in mine with the 120 Barnes. I’m loading their recommended max. I have a 6.5-06 on the way. I plan on trying the 120 Barnes and IMR 4350 in it also. I use IMR 4350 in many different calibers, always accurate for me. What difference have you found between IMR4350 vs H4350?
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Ive never used the H 4350. I’ve IMR worked so well, I haven’t bothered to try it.
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Thanks Hanco, I guess they're aren't many people using the IMR version. I have both IMR and AA in 4350, but really didn't want to buy any H4350 until I tried the IMR powder. I'm going to load some up and see what they do.
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I shot some IMR in my .260, under 129 Interlocks and it is right there with Re 17. I have not tried it in my Creed, though.
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Thanks Hanco, I guess they're aren't many people using the IMR version. I have both IMR and AA in 4350, but really didn't want to buy any H4350 until I tried the IMR powder. I'm going to load some up and see what they do. James, The IMR and H versions are nearly interchangeable with full pressure loads. Not quite, so back off a bit and work up. If all I had on hand was the IMR version I wouldn't hesitate to try it.
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I finally got around to trying the IMR4350 powder in my 6.5. Loaded up 40 grains with a 120 grain Sierra SP, Hornady brass and a CCI primer. Five shots measured .9 at a 100 yards, very mild shooting load. Then I went up to 41.8 grains, and tried both the Sierra and a 120 Nosler BT. The Sierra shot into.6, the Nosler about an inch. It got dark and I had to quit, may try more later today.
I didn't chronograph these loads, as I didn't take the time to set it up. The next time I experiment, I'll set it up, and see how things are running. I'm pretty certain that I can load more powder, as these loads seem pretty mild so far. I'm not trying to find a 1000 yard target load, just a good deer load.
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I shot a bunch of IMR 4350 in a couple different Creeds..... with 139/140s they all ended up between 41.5 and 43 grains for about 2750-2800 FPS.
I also shot 43.5-45 grains behind the 123s for around 2900 FPS.
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Thanks Dogshooter.......43 grains of IMR4350 and the 120 grain Sierra SP shoots in less than inch at a 100. Haven't chronographed it yet, but no pressure signs at all. I hate loading stick powder, as it doesn't meter worth a crap, but it's one of those necessary evils.
I'll play with it some more when I have the time.
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
And a very nice looking one at that.
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
Yeah, it was mildly amusing the first time you went there. 
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
Yeah, it was mildly amusing the first time you went there. I guess you are right but how many is this on the 6.5 Creedmoor?
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They're easy enough to not read.
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
Yeah, it was mildly amusing the first time you went there. All this “my Bob is a Creedmoor” garbage would stop poste haste.... if it were belly in the dirt, 468 yards in a 12-16 mph cross-wind... on a 10” plate.... for $20 bills. Seen it.... If all you’re gonna do is shoot deer at 300 and in.... then all your modern, bottle-necked cartridges are about the same when it comes to hitting 2-4 MOA targets. You simply need to decide how much horsepower you wanna deliver, how much recoil you’re willing to absorb, and what projectile you wanna shoot. So sure... your Bob is a Creed.... until it isn’t. Some guys are capable of taking advantage of the benefits of the Creed beyond that 300 yard “all cartridges are the same” range... and extending it well beyond 300.... that is where the Bob most certainly is not a Creed.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
Yeah, it was mildly amusing the first time you went there. All this “my Bob is a Creedmoor” garbage would stop poste haste.... if it were belly in the dirt, 468 yards in a 12-16 mph cross-wind... on a 10” plate.... for $20 bills. Seen it.... If all you’re gonna do is shoot deer at 300 and in.... then all your modern, bottle-necked cartridges are about the same when it comes to hitting 2-4 MOA targets. You simply need to decide how much horsepower you wanna deliver, how much recoil you’re willing to absorb, and what projectile you wanna shoot. So sure... your Bob is a Creed.... until it isn’t. Some guys are capable of taking advantage of the benefits of the Creed beyond that 300 yard “all cartridges are the same” range... and extending it well beyond 300.... that is where the Bob most certainly is not a Creed. Sorry for polluting this thread, but guys like you make it sound like that shot could never have been made before the Creedmoor was developed and that just isn’t true. My use of the 257 isn’t to make the claim it is a ballistic equal, but just a single cartridge in a world of cartridges that will deliver performance well beyond what credit they get. You have to admit there are other cartridges that are equal to the task. All the loyalty to the 6.5 is wasted on a large percentage of people that are buying into the Creedmoor’s success and will never need the performance it is designed for...
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It certainly could have been made... and was. But, that shot is made easier via the virtues the Creed offers.... the margin for error is greater, which quite simply means more hits. Especially if we compare factory loads... it ain’t even close. Like I said shrap... to 300, you’re more right than wrong... beyond that, the differences show up quick. Whether or not you like the hype, you can’t bitch about the performance.
You tell any kids to get off your lawn today?
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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You tell any kids to get off your lawn today?
I did threaten to shoot a couple but they all laughed at me because they know I don’t own a 6.5...
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No one would ever dare laugh AT you shrap..... most mortals don’t even dare to laugh WITH you...
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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It works great in my Creedmoor, but mine is a 257 Roberts...
Close enough, when you're close enough. 
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I’ve never shot a kid before. How much do they charge to mount one???
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Mule Deer looked at temp sensitivity in an article not too long ago (IMR vs H). Good read. I use IMR 4350 in an old 6mm Rem. Good stuff
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I've never been handicapped in any way with IMR 4350 over H 4350, in any cartridge...
44 grains of IMR 4350 is what I shoot in my 260 Rems with a 140 grain bullet, running at 2750 fps in a 22 inch barrel and over 2800 fps in the Rem VLS with its 26 inch barrel...
Haven't bought into the Creedmore hype due to having three different 6.5 calibers already...
but in any one of the rifles I have in the 6.5 bore, accuracy is no different with either IMRs or Hodgdon's 4350.
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