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No WONDER Stick picks on you.........

Especially when it's a monster spike blacktail.............

TFF, that was my immediate reaction

Why the fugg anyone would 'report' anything before it's conclusion is beyond me. John posted a bunch of dumpfugg in the 1st post then followed up with a recovered deer to reconfirm the 1st post.

Thinking a post after everything was done would be the way to roll. But then I ain't from Oregon nor am I a Hillary fluffier from Montana, so what the fugg do I know.

Welcome back safariman.

Anyone else besides me find it curious that Sierra said the game changer was best suited for a cartridge like the 240 WBY? That very very few people shoot.

You cyber bully you.....grin

Aren't you the guy that runs around with 10 different bullets loaded up in your pants pocket? One for the 100yd shot, couple for that 250yd shot, another one for that 350-375 yd shot, 3 for that you know 650 yd shot and the last 3 for that 1000 yd shot.. but you keep going girlfriend...

Hello friend it's been awhile, can interest you in a custom made 7 mm mashburn?

And horny chicks.

Wow a herd of muck rakers!

To ALL THE CRITICS:

Well I had a great day.. clear skys, 77 degrees, hardly a cloud in the blue sky. Spent some time working on this around the yard, enjoying the sunshine since the wife had to work at the hospital today. Tonight we went to the movies again... Bad Time at the El Royale...that was a pretty decent movie.. different, but a decent enjoyable movie to watch.

The crown jewel on the day tho was to get home and get to read this thread. I've got to admit it, but I enjoyed that as much or more than the movie, the wife and I went to see...

This deserves a reply to some of you people, in fact it begs for it. First thing that jumped out at me is the number of people with snide condemning posts, plenty of folks that don't or haven't seen disrespectful posts from me toward them.. like EVER. But condemnation and slandering some one seems to be a campfire favorite pass time for a select group. What I found peculiar was some of the participants.

Some many of you guys jumped to conclusion, with info that I gave and never thought anything else but an opportunity, to be a troll and piss on someone.

Lets take a look at a few for instance.

1. Oh, I had to get out to I 5 so I could call Sierra asap, to complain to them about their bullet and it failing me. That was top priority.
None of you Einsteins had it cross your mind, that the first thing I would do might be to contact several friends, that I knew and ask them to come and help me? Naw that would actually require thinking on your guys part. Had several who willing to come as soon as they could get away.... But since that was just before 5 PM when I got out of the back country, where cell service would have been available...If they left, they would have managed to get out there, after the sun went down.. so
it would have been in the dark, so we decided the best thing to do would be first thing in the morning. Of course no one thought of that, or even gave me possible credit for doing something like that. After we arrange to be out there the next morning when there would be enough light to
safely retrieve the deer, that is exactly what we did. Were their at 7:30 when the sun was finally up enough to give us good light.

THEN I CALLED SIERRA.

2. Calling Sierra, everyone who mentioned in their posts, just did the assumption was " Hey your bullet failed me and you guys suck!". Again you Einsteins, didn't think that instead maybe it was to call and talk to them of potentially why the bullet failed. Was it something I did wrong with my load, as the first person I called and talked to for advise when I picked some up at Sporsman's, told me they were designed to open up down to 1800 fps, which would be lower than their Tipped Match King. Anyone who can't tell when they see a bullet hit an animal that it wasn't performing right, hasn't hunted much in my opinion. Then again, I'm not as smart as you guys think you are evidently. I was told that the original design of the bullet had already been changed. He asked if I had them in a box of 50 or 100. I told them, box of 50. His response was that a lot of the original once were sent out in boxes of 50, as a Promotional Item. Essentially hinting that is how they got rid of the first batch that they changed.

3. Decision to not go and try to retrieve the animal that afternoon.

First you girls weren't there. I've already said it was covered in down fall from a severe burn, along with thick undergrowth. Plus the ravine was steeper than a 45 degree angle.. pretty much to the tune of more like 50 degree plus. Here I am alone, 40 plus miles into back country, with the closest small berg at the 40 mile mark. I go down this ravine, and the potential is great, to break a leg or ankle. I'm by myself, and if I get hurt, even tho I know personal first aid, probably a lot more than most of ya, I'm still going to be 40 plus miles from being able to call for any assistance whatsoever. With it getting dark and the temps to be dropping in the 20s over night. Yeah, I should have been a real hero and risked all that anyway. We're not talking a Swamp in Kansas here folks...I'd bet not one of you critics would have risked going down there.
We hunt where deer are here like anywhere else. The areas I've hunted for the last 20 years, are all blocked off, due to summer forest fires via the Forest Service.... to the tune of 60 plus square miles... so I'm going into areas I know, but more rugged than where I normally hunt. Some of you western guys can relate, most of you midwestern and eastern guys.... yeah right.
Typical campfire, you don't know, but that never stops a bunch of you heroes from passing up an opportunity to stand on your soap boxes.

4. You guys criticize Trystan, well turns out he's the only guy with any reading comprehension. Of course he wasn't on a mission to piss on someone, so I guess he didn't have an agenda to cloud his reading comprehension.

5. Some of you guys who flamed me to hell and back, are people I've thought a lot of over the years. You guys I'll give a pass, because I respect you. Guys like Scott for instance. I think he's one of the most logical & honest guys on the campfire. Don't always agree with Steelhead, but I respect the fact that what he posts is what he sees, be it good or bad. Guys I know well, can call me or complain about whatever they want, and I look at it as constructive criticism. Some of you guys, I really like.. Higbean comes to mind, just love his odd sense of humor.

I don't even have to guess. Most of you didn't have a clue, period.. and if you'd have put yourself at risk, going down there by yourself, at that time of day, with it getting dark etc in a couple of hours... then you're an idiot.

6. I don't even know what a legal deer is? yeah, I've hunted here for 23 years, and someone from somewhere else tells me I don't know what's legal, I only think its legal. Another example of someone who doesn't have a clue, because he didn't even bother to look it up evidently.

7. "Why is it that retrieving a deer always requires a cable and rope?"
Says some guy from Montana.... well when its steep as schitt, full of obstacles, guess we're not like the Neanderthals from Montana, who would just throw a 100 lbs plus over their shoulder and walk right up a 200 yd plus bank, in a ravine.. like they were walking on flat ground.
People I know who use their brain and use rope and a cable.

" it was a monster spike buck evidently"...I'd like to see this wise ass also haul 100 lbs or so, up a real steep hillside, full of obstacles, with a 100 lbs, and not use rope or something else... are you guys just pompous or real dumb asses? Guess its easy to be a hero behind your key board.
Plus lets see ya do that in the dark. I'd love to see that just to be there when you break a leg down there and are crying for help like a baby.

Once again, being a Army Medic, I've been around and taught a lot of retrieving injured people from bad terrain.. kinda part of a job, serving on a medevac crew for a couple of years.... but then no one even thought that also..

you guys just thought, I'd wus out, shoot a deer, leave it there.... call and complain to Sierra, be unethical and potentially do multiple things illegal, and then rush to post it on the internet. You people really are a bunch of dumbasses.

Thanks to the several guys who gave a little support or benefit of the doubt. The rest of you clowns, the jokes on you. I'd challenge any of you critics to do it any differently....and if the bullet didn't pencil thru, the deer would have dropped where hit... but the bullet did pencil thru.
and anyone whose never had Schitt Happen, when out hunting, then you haven't hunted long, you're damn lucky or a damned liar.





You Ladies have a good weekend... enjoy GFY.

Seafire,

I have enjoyed your posts for a long time. Easy to see you’re a good guy, but I’m not with you on this one. Much like 99% of the Internet. Since you didn’t respond to those asking why you run an already weak chambering even weaker, why do you reduce the .243 so much for big game hunting? You could have saved yourself one hell of a lot of drama by running it 3100 FPS.. If you run those numbers through a KE calculator you will see that you are taking away as much energy from your hunting round as a .357 Mag has at the muzzle alone. Further more, with your resume as a bullet wound medic (thanks for your service by the way), I can’t believe you needed a manufacture bullet tech to tell you to quit loading your ammo so damn weak. It’s like you had an epiphany when you should have had common sense.

Todd

Gees, no need to be an internet bully about it.. trust us you've don't want trystan coming to your defense..

Todd, now that is a fair question.... and with no malice intended, so thank you...

my original call to Sierra last month when I bought a box of those bullets, I was asking for load data
and if there were any limitations on the bullet. I was told it was designed to open up at way below 1800 fps,
They had no load data immediately available, and when I mention my often carried 30 grains of IMR 4198, they said that would be fine...

Now why I carry loads like that? I work a lot with Scouts as I am a rifle instructor and have been for a couple of decades with BSA. So I load bullets down using cast manual load data, so these boys can shoot the guns grandpa gave to them, passing them down.

In my own figuring, I limit shots to 200 yds, or under... as I hunt mainly woods ranges.. I call that 30/30 speeds...as told by Sierra, that bullet should have been more than capable of opening at that speed to expand reliably.. the first time.. the second conversation it was NOT that capable and the tech admitted to a very hard core, saying it needed high velocity to open up.... his reference it was better suited to a 240 Weatherby than a 243 or even 6mm Remington.

I've been doing this for decades, with no real problems...

at velocities you speak of I am sure you wouldn't have a problem shooting at deer out to 400 yds, if you can shoot accurately that far, I doubt you'd have lack of confidence in the bullet doing the job.....

at the velocities I shoot at, at 100 and 200 yds, they have pretty much the same energy, that the same bullet would have at 300 to 400 yds if it was launched at 3100 fps...

on blacktails, them being antelope sized... I've used velocity in the over 3000 fps range, in a variety of calibers
and have been rewarded with what I consider a fair amount of blood shot meat...the reduced velocity isn't giving me that problem...

The Second Sierra tech told me that the bullet has already gone thru a revision....he said the first ones where not opening up much at all at times...he then asked if I had purchased a 50 round box or a 100? I told him 50 and why did he ask? His response was that the first batches that had problems that caused a revision had still been shipped in 50 round "promotional" boxes....if I had an issue, and suspecting it not opening up... that is probably what I purchased....

I hope that answers your question....this is probably the first bullet failing to open up I've had in 20 plus years... the last one was a tried and true Hornady 6.5 129 grain SP.. which had been in production for years..
It penciled thru a deer's lungs without opening up.. but I was able to follow his path, until I found him breathing his last in a thicket in terrain a lot less severe than where I shot the deer this time...all of my usual hunting areas are close access by the Forest Service right now, due to all the Forest fires we had this summer....an area more than 60 square miles.....

thanks for the question.. and the opportunity for a little clarification...

cheers and best regard.
john chr/seafire

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I think you can learn a lesson or two from this.

1. Do a better assessment of the area and time before you take a shot.
2. Regardless of whether the animal is moving or not, take the follow up shot as it might be your last chance. (Pretty stupid of you not to shoot again as it seems like you had some time to look at it).

3. Write a cogent OP--saves a lot of butt hurt.

You got that out of this?

4. Don't go all Millenial and think the world needs to know your every move via social media.