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On the new substance recreation...enjoy?


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Only online in Ontario, delivered by Canada Post, if they don't strike that is. All that if you are talking the legal stuff, the illegal same as always I suppose.


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I don't partake myself--but i was 100% behind this. Should have happened at least 20 years ago.
What suprized me was the number of congradulations from Poloticians from Australia--Great Briton and Germany.

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i don't think it's a good idea...and my state is getting ready to vote it in


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From the individuals I've seen on TV at various demonstrations my feeling is that it is a great thing for losers. Since the Prime Minister has admitted to having used then I'm convinced it is for losers.

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Originally Posted by 1OntarioJim
From the individuals I've seen on TV at various demonstrations my feeling is that it is a great thing for losers. Since the Prime Minister has admitted to having used then I'm convinced it is for losers.

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had an old boss who would call them 'brain drains'


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From the individuals I've seen on TV at various demonstrations my feeling is that it is a great thing for losers. Since the Prime Minister has admitted to having used then I'm convinced it is for losers.

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had an old boss who would call them 'brain drains'


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Maybe, those that drove high before, will still drive high now !

Hopefully the fuzz bust a whole pile of DUI's, right off the bat.

As it will be classed as a DUI, anybody that wants to travel, across the border either way, or Internationally better consider the consequences.

Once charged, ya's fugged !


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As if we don't have enough problems on our roads already,impaired,distracted and some down right dangerous roads

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Actually, there are a variety of things in dispute. I am not necessarily confident in the accident claim data, although I'm sure it could be verified one way or the other.

Also, I heard that younger people are particularly susceptible to brain damage from THC. That would be unfortunate, since this will surely provide greater access to minors.

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Well, it only took our esteemed leader 3 years to put Canada in the pot!!


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Originally Posted by 1OntarioJim
From the individuals I've seen on TV at various demonstrations my feeling is that it is a great thing for losers.

Maybe so, but the type that would go to that kind of a demonstration and rant/rave for legal access would be a dipstick anyways. There would be many more "normal" folks who would not attend that rally but still be in support of the change of law.

There is very little or any negative to this law change here among any group of people. Making pot illegal didn't slow it's use down.Prohibition didn't work either. It just put a lot of money into the hands of criminals.

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So, under the new law, can employers still refuse to hire new employees, or discipline existing ones for using, as presumeably they can and do with alcohol? Intoxicated is intoxicated, regardless of the substance.

On the other hand, there's no need to mandate three hots and a cot to drunks of any sort, unless they drive that way.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
So, under the new law, can employers still refuse to hire new employees, or discipline existing ones for using, as presumably they can and do with alcohol? Intoxicated is intoxicated, regardless of the substance.

On the other hand, there's no need to mandate three hots and a cot to drunks of any sort, unless they drive that way.

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Good morning to you sir, I hope all is well in your world on this second last Friday of October.

The short answer is that labor law remains largely in the realm of the provinces, which in my view is as it should be.

Here in BC, where the consumption of pot has to be the highest in Canada - double entendre intended - employers have the ability to stop any worker any time they deem them "unfit or unsafe" to work. There is no burden to prove the causation of the impairment either by the way.

That said, we can't summarily fire anyone for it who isn't a probationary employee - under 90 days with the company.

Again though, if a given employee is deemed "unfit or unsafe" to perform their given task too, too many times, their days absolutely are numbered and there isn't a labor board member green/Green enough to make a case for such a person. Union members will have their individual union and rep to back them up - or not.

It is - in my experience - pretty thin ice to skate upon trying to make a case to remain employed at that point.

Anyway sir, hopefully that makes sense - impaired is impaired whether it's weed, alcohol, prescription meds or a really bad flu - same as always.

All the best to you this fall and good luck on your remaining hunts this fall.

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While it's still untested, I'd expect that mandatory drug testing for dry camps or specific tasks will still hold up in court as long as the testing is for all employees.

It was the "random tests" which didn't hold up, so nowadays everybody going to a site or camp can get tested and a fail is a fail same as always.

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I suspect there are going to be some very busy defence lawyers,prosecutors,judges and labour experts trying to figure out what impairment actually is.
We—as a society have accepted that .08 millilitres of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood constitutes impaired driving—as determined by a breathalyzer. It’s not so easy with Cannabis.
I remember when the first breathalyzer came out. The results from those things weren’t universally accepted—that took years of studies—educating the public and literally thousands of cases before the courts.
In this locality throughout the 1970’s drink and driving was tolerated—even by the police. Up until about 1980 the only drunk driving charges I heard about involved an accident.
People are nowadays more aware and the penalties are very severe but there are no doubt going to be some bad actors.

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When Colorado first made pot legal, I opined that there would be more crashes and property crimes. Indeed we have seen a considerable rise in both, where neighboring Utah has remained relatively flat.

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When Colorado first made pot legal, I opined that there would be more crashes and property crimes. Indeed we have seen a considerable rise in both, where neighboring Utah has remained relatively flat.

But I thought our government spoke with states where it is legal before making a decision. The young people didn't see the mess Trudeau senior made of our country and the debt he put us in. One of his great decisions was to change our country to metric in 1977, cost billions,for what? People still talk and use imperial measure. Now we have his son running the country Trudope

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When Colorado first made pot legal, I opined that there would be more crashes and property crimes. Indeed we have seen a considerable rise in both, where neighboring Utah has remained relatively flat.


Real facts? Could you give references, very interested to have this data since my state just made it legal as well...

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I' sorry to hear that Our neighbors to the north made this drug legal. I really like Canada . I first entered Canada 31 yrs ago on our honeymoon. We went to Sault Ste. Marie, Canada and took the ride all over The Soo. It was a beautiful town 31 yrs ago, clean, kept up, and friendly people. We decided to go back over Labor Day Weekend to take the Agawa Train Ride again. We stopped in Sault Ste. Marie on the Michigan side Labor Day and it is a nice little town on the Michigan side. When we entered Canada we saw just how run down that nice little down has gotten in 31 yrs. The roads were dirty, trash was not all over but very plentiful, and the people were just low life looking , dirty and poor looking. The Mighigan side was vibrant , clean and the people even looked cleaner and better dressed. Ya know 31 yrs ago I told the Canadian witresss that this is a town I would like to live in. We went to a Sports Center Bar and Grill on Willington St. and had a real good pizza this time around . They were very friendly so the people were just good people, and were surprised that U.S folk were coming to Canada this weekend . I am sure legalizing pot will only make that town all the worse off when the poor start spending money on pot. Nothing good can come out of a drug than makes you lazy. I'm sorry Canada this has to happen. You are better than that.


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I' sorry to hear that Our neighbors to the north made this drug legal. I really like Canada . I first entered Canada 31 yrs ago on our honeymoon. We went to Sault Ste. Marie, Canada and took the ride all over The Soo. It was a beautiful town 31 yrs ago, clean, kept up, and friendly people. We decided to go back over Labor Day Weekend to take the Agawa Train Ride again. We stopped in Sault Ste. Marie on the Michigan side Labor Day and it is a nice little town on the Michigan side. When we entered Canada we saw just how run down that nice little down has gotten in 31 yrs. The roads were dirty, trash was not all over but very plentiful, and the people were just low life looking , dirty and poor looking. The Mighigan side was vibrant , clean and the people even looked cleaner and better dressed. Ya know 31 yrs ago I told the Canadian witresss that this is a town I would like to live in. We went to a Sports Center Bar and Grill on Willington St. and had a real good pizza this time around . They were very friendly so the people were just good people, and were surprised that U.S folk were coming to Canada this weekend . I am sure legalizing pot will only make that town all the worse off when the poor start spending money on pot. Nothing good can come out of a drug than makes you lazy. I'm sorry Canada this has to happen. You are better than that.

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I’ve spent a fair bit of time in both Soo’s...at the time the population of the Michigan city was about 3500, and Soo Ontario was 65,000. Will probably be going up again in the next year for some fishing in and around the St. Mary’s rapids, but I always found both cities pleasant.


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Originally Posted by 1OntarioJim
From the individuals I've seen on TV at various demonstrations my feeling is that it is a great thing for losers. Since the Prime Minister has admitted to having used then I'm convinced it is for losers.

Jim


That statement couldn’t be more true...the prime minister is the biggest one of all


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Originally Posted by sse
Actually, there are a variety of things in dispute. I am not necessarily confident in the accident claim data, although I'm sure it could be verified one way or the other.

Also, I heard that younger people are particularly susceptible to brain damage from THC. That would be unfortunate, since this will surely provide greater access to minors.


You have to be 19 to legally purchase legal pot !


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Originally Posted by kkahmann
I suspect there are going to be some very busy defence lawyers,prosecutors,judges and labour experts trying to figure out what impairment actually is.
We—as a society have accepted that .08 millilitres of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood constitutes impaired driving—as determined by a breathalyzer. It’s not so easy with Cannabis.
I remember when the first breathalyzer came out. The results from those things weren’t universally accepted—that took years of studies—educating the public and literally thousands of cases before the courts.
In this locality throughout the 1970’s drink and driving was tolerated—even by the police. Up until about 1980 the only drunk driving charges I heard about involved an accident.
People are nowadays more aware and the penalties are very severe but there are no doubt going to be some bad actors.


Karl,

I have no arrow in this quiver. Other than think they got this very wrong.

We were just discussing this the other day, regarding work places, particularly drivers.

One of my guys said, that the level THC, for being impaired, is/has been set at 5 nanometers. He went on to say, that because the body process/rids itself differently (stored in the body a long time), he could legally smoke a joint on Friday night, but it would still be, not only in his system, but over 5 nanometers on Monday & possibly Tuesday !

YMMV


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Actually, there are a variety of things in dispute. I am not necessarily confident in the accident claim data, although I'm sure it could be verified one way or the other.

Also, I heard that younger people are particularly susceptible to brain damage from THC. That would be unfortunate, since this will surely provide greater access to minors.


You have to be 19 to legally purchase legal pot !


Oh, sure...now given that a typical 19 year old pot head may, possibly, not be exercising the best of judgment...is not hard to imagine how it could get into the hands of younger teens...??!!


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It's a buyers market !

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I' sorry to hear that Our neighbors to the north made this drug legal. I really like Canada . I first entered Canada 31 yrs ago on our honeymoon. We went to Sault Ste. Marie, Canada and took the ride all over The Soo. It was a beautiful town 31 yrs ago, clean, kept up, and friendly people. We decided to go back over Labor Day Weekend to take the Agawa Train Ride again. We stopped in Sault Ste. Marie on the Michigan side Labor Day and it is a nice little town on the Michigan side. When we entered Canada we saw just how run down that nice little down has gotten in 31 yrs. The roads were dirty, trash was not all over but very plentiful, and the people were just low life looking , dirty and poor looking. The Mighigan side was vibrant , clean and the people even looked cleaner and better dressed. Ya know 31 yrs ago I told the Canadian witresss that this is a town I would like to live in. We went to a Sports Center Bar and Grill on Willington St. and had a real good pizza this time around . They were very friendly so the people were just good people, and were surprised that U.S folk were coming to Canada this weekend . I am sure legalizing pot will only make that town all the worse off when the poor start spending money on pot. Nothing good can come out of a drug than makes you lazy. I'm sorry Canada this has to happen. You are better than that.

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31 years ago Detroit was a beautiful place too, it wasn't the weed that ruins cities, its democrats and their followers. You can't legislate morality, murder has been against the laws since before forever yet somehow it keeps happening, just raise your kids ,teach them whats right and mind your own business, your life will be just fine.


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