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FWIW the Ruger #1A's that were made a few years ago in .222, have 1 in 9" twist barrels I never knew this. Good information. Yep...I managed to get one from Darrik at Whittakers...love it! ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/erbnfQU.jpg)
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That is a recent build? I'd love to have one in a 9'' twist. Recent production is 9"?
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... offer other than nostalgia. I found a sweet little Savage 24 but i need a few kicks in the butt to convince me otherwise.
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a 600 will work on the western prairies..... ![[Linked Image]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/bZuZMk.jpg)
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That is a recent build? I'd love to have one in a 9'' twist. Recent production is 9"? OSU: That was a limited run for Lipseys in 2013 the 9 twist does make it versatile..mine has handled everything up to the 63 gr. Sierra SMP...its preferred bullet is the basic Hornady 55 grain SP...which works really well on game at .222 velocities...
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Thanks for clarifying that. I wondered if it was a special run. That makes sense.
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Ruger made a limited run Mini 14s in 222 REM several years ago, but I have never seen one.
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I guess I simply don't understand why, when a particular gun is available in .222 and .223, what incentive there would be to choose the slower of the two. I dont think there is any implication that the .222 is a bad cartridge, just that the .223 does literally everything better.
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just that the .223 does literally everything better. .. but it doesn't. Whether the things it doesn't do better matter to you is your biz. Whether the difference is enough to matter to you, is again your biz. Mine say they're like a left shoe and a right shoe .. they may seem the same in abstract but you'll know the difference when you have your left foot in your right shoe. Tom
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
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Not at all trying to be argumentative....but what, exactly, does the .222 do better? Same bullet, less capacity, less speed, limited off the shelf ammo and brass...I am genuinely curious.
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Not at all trying to be argumentative....but what, exactly, does the .222 do better? Same bullet, less capacity, less speed, limited off the shelf ammo and brass...I am genuinely curious. Nostalgia, that is what the 222 does better than the 223
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Nostalgia, that is what the 222 does better than the 223
Can't really argue that one, although it does absolutely nothing for me.
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In rifles good enough to show the difference the 222 will shoot smaller groups if shooting smaller groups is your main goal.
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In rifles good enough to show the difference the 222 will shoot smaller groups if shooting smaller groups is your main goal. That accounts for 1/10 of 1% of the shooting public, but it is a valid point if true. An interesting sidepoint, when I was at the Sierra plant a few years back they told me they use the .223 for accuracy testing in place of the .222 they used for a very long time. I was told the accuracy is just as good with the .223, and its much more relevant. This may or may not be true, and even if so, its a sample of one.
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It took the PPC cartridges to knock the 222 off the short range benchrest throne.
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The 222 lends a sense of style, sophistication and panache not offered by the ho hum, run of the mill 223. Those of us who choose the 222 also chose other interesting firearms and chamberings; 16, 10 and 28 bores in shotguns, a 300 H&H over any of the upstart 300's or a Mannlicher Schoenauer in one of the four early offerings, a 41 mag or 480 Ruger in revolvers or for the truly fascinating revolver shooter, a 401 Powermag. We are the interesting guys at gatherings of hunters and shooters, the ones whose words are hung on while we graciously and captivatingly share our vast experience and enthralling stories. 
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The 222 lends a sense of style, sophistication and panache not offered by the ho hum, run of the mill 223. Those of us who choose the 222 also chose other interesting firearms and chamberings; 16, 10 and 28 bores in shotguns, a 300 H&H over any of the upstart 300's or a Mannlicher Schoenauer in one of the four early offerings, a 41 mag or 480 Ruger in revolvers or for the truly fascinating revolver shooter, a 401 Powermag. We are the interesting guys at gatherings of hunters and shooters, the ones whose words are hung on while we graciously and captivatingly share our vast experience and enthralling stories. That's the explanation I was looking for!
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The 222 lends a sense of style, sophistication and panache not offered by the ho hum, run of the mill 223. Those of us who choose the 222 also chose other interesting firearms and chamberings; 16, 10 and 28 bores in shotguns, a 300 H&H over any of the upstart 300's or a Mannlicher Schoenauer in one of the four early offerings, a 41 mag or 480 Ruger in revolvers or for the truly fascinating revolver shooter, a 401 Powermag. We are the interesting guys at gatherings of hunters and shooters, the ones whose words are hung on while we graciously and captivatingly share our vast experience and enthralling stories. Well said!
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The 222 lends a sense of style, sophistication and panache not offered by the ho hum, run of the mill 223. Those of us who choose the 222 also chose other interesting firearms and chamberings; 16, 10 and 28 bores in shotguns, a 300 H&H over any of the upstart 300's or a Mannlicher Schoenauer in one of the four early offerings, a 41 mag or 480 Ruger in revolvers or for the truly fascinating revolver shooter, a 401 Powermag. We are the interesting guys at gatherings of hunters and shooters, the ones whose words are hung on while we graciously and captivatingly share our vast experience and enthralling stories. That's the explanation I was looking for! I have owned a few and to be frank I prefer the 223.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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The 222 lends a sense of style, sophistication and panache not offered by the ho hum, run of the mill 223. Those of us who choose the 222 also chose other interesting firearms and chamberings; 16, 10 and 28 bores in shotguns, a 300 H&H over any of the upstart 300's or a Mannlicher Schoenauer in one of the four early offerings, a 41 mag or 480 Ruger in revolvers or for the truly fascinating revolver shooter, a 401 Powermag. We are the interesting guys at gatherings of hunters and shooters, the ones whose words are hung on while we graciously and captivatingly share our vast experience and enthralling stories. That's the explanation I was looking for! Having 3 222’s; 4 223’s and 3 222 mags I can say that pinache does apply to all 3 Chamberings in the rifles I have. There is a satisfaction in owning a rifle or cartridge with some history and appeal. I guess it will take around 60 years or more before I consider a 6.5 Creedmoor...
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