Not here yet OSU.. I was kinda looking for them to get released as components. They look pretty good and if they work like the plain old Tipped TBBC I’d think they will be Ripper’s.
There are a few available as components for 270, 7mm and .30 cal. At least according to Federal Premium website. The TLR and TBT both look like great bullets to me, but until they offer them in .338 or 6.5 they are not an option.
I took a mule deer buck in WY this year with the 175gr 30-06 factory load. Slightly quartering towards me at 180 yds. I hit him right on the point of his near shoulder, it took out both lungs and half the liver and dropped in his tracks. Bullet was not recovered, passed completely through. The exit wound was about the size of a softball and his lungs were completely liquefied. I had used Barnes TTSX previously but decided to try these since they shot slightly better in my rifle. I plan to stick with this loading for the foreseeable future.
I took a mule deer buck in WY this year with the 175gr 30-06 factory load. Slightly quartering towards me at 180 yds. I hit him right on the point of his near shoulder, it took out both lungs and half the liver and dropped in his tracks. Bullet was not recovered, passed completely through. The exit wound was about the size of a softball and his lungs were completely liquefied. I had used Barnes TTSX previously but decided to try these since they shot slightly better in my rifle. I plan to stick with this loading for the foreseeable future.
I took a mule deer buck in WY this year with the 175gr 30-06 factory load. Slightly quartering towards me at 180 yds. I hit him right on the point of his near shoulder, it took out both lungs and half the liver and dropped in his tracks. Bullet was not recovered, passed completely through. The exit wound was about the size of a softball and his lungs were completely liquefied. I had used Barnes TTSX previously but decided to try these since they shot slightly better in my rifle. I plan to stick with this loading for the foreseeable future.
Anyone shooting this bullet in Federal ammo? Sounds a bit like a competitor to the Hornady ELDX. It would be interesting to hear results on game.
Is it not a bonded bullet?
It’s bonded as far as the specs go on it. I sorta think it’s very Nosler ABLR in idea. Bonded, soft lead up front, solid rear.
I'll go with that. Thanks.
I read somewhere that it is a trophy bonded tip bullet that has been modified
That’s certainly the way they look to be constructed based on what I’ve read and the cross section pictures on Federal’s site. I think they modified it to open more reliably at lower velocities so they could better market it to the long range hunting community. All I know is it shoots lights out for me and performed well on the 1 animal I’ve had an opportunity to use them on.
They were. ATK spun them off into a company now branded Vista Outdoor. Speer and Federal are still both under that umbrella though.
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There's a great review of it on YouTube. Search Guns America Clay Martin, he shows the long range expansion of the round. I shot a big muley doe with this round and she folded up where she stood. 300 yard shot, 30-06. I'm hooked on this ammo and I'm hoping that Federal puts it out in .243.
I haven’t been able to try them out on game yet. I did end up with a case of the TLR in 300wsm. It shoots less then 1/2” out of my rifle so hopefully I’ll get the chance later this year.
A big break for Carter's business came in 1992 when he reached an agreement with Federal for that company to load his bullets in several cartridges in the Premium lineup of ammunition. As it turned out, his production was sufficient to continue filling individual-box orders from hunters across the country, but it did not come close to meeting the quantities needed by a large manufacturer of ammunition. In 1993 it was mutually agreed that in order to meet both demands, all Bear Claw bullets would be made at Federal's plant in Anoka, Minnesota. And while Carter continued shipping bullets directly to his customers under the Trophy Bonded label, from that point on they were being made by Federal. Sometime after Jack decided to retire from selling bullets, Federal began to offer them as reloading components through Speer of Lewiston, Idaho, (both Federal and Speer are owned by ATK Ammunition Systems Group).
The factory ammo that I tried shot exceptionally well from an accuracy standpoint but, despite carrying it what seemed like the entirety of the Brooks Range, I never fired a shot on game so I cannot comment on terminal performance.
I pulled a bullet and put it on the belt sander to get an idea of the cross section. It got so hot that the lead melted and dripped out but the "heat resistant" tip did not deform.
As far as I'm concerned, the Edge TLR bullets may be the best bullets available for my needs. Was pretty disappointed when Federal got the rights to the Trophy Bonded and didn't offer the Trophy Bonded Tip to reloaders. Love the performance of North Fork SS bullets but these have a similar construction with a tip for higher B.C. Looking forward to getting my hands on some.
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Ordered a box of the 7mm RM from Midway a couple of weeks ago. Haven't been able to try them out yet. Able Ammo also has the 7mm RM in stock for $38.00/box.
I talked to Federal a few weeks ago and they were saying that they mismanaged their production and didn’t have enough bullets manufacturing machines to meet demand, which is why everyone is out. They said the plan was to have bullets available for purchase again in March. I’ll let ya’ll know if I can find them somewhere.
Also, for the people concerned about being able to reload with them:
A 160 grain 7x57 Edge TLR would be nice as well, but in addition to handloads, the Norma 7x57 156 grain Oryx soft point is a good choice in that caliber.
300wsm 200gr TLR out of a Kimber at about 75 yards on a CO satellite 5X. Quartering front shoulder shot that hit both lungs and imbedded under the skin about 3/4 of the way back after about 30-36” of penetration. I’m guessing an impact velocity of about 2750fps. Roughly about 84-85% weight retention, and looks like only 1 small petal missing. The bull ran about 40-50 yards and fell over dead. The fact that this bullet holds together so well at close range, and supposedly still expands as low as 1300fps might just make this the do everything well bullet if it shoots well out of your rifle.
300wsm 200gr TLR out of a Kimber at about 75 yards on a CO satellite 5X. Quartering front shoulder shot that hit both lungs and imbedded under the skin about 3/4 of the way back after about 30-36” of penetration. I’m guessing an impact velocity of about 2750fps. Roughly about 84-85% weight retention, and looks like only 1 small petal missing. The bull ran about 40-50 yards and fell over dead. The fact that this bullet holds together so well at close range, and supposedly still expands as low as 1300fps might just make this the do everything well bullet if it shoots well out of your rifle.
Looks like it is about perfect performance to me. Congrats on the elk.
The TLR bullets are very similar to the North Fork in that they have the solid shank with a bonded core up front. The North Fork have been stellar performers for me. Now that North Fork is out of business, the Edge TLR will likely be given a try. Once I run out of North Fork, which will be a while.
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Hot damn that looks good. How is the recoil? Kimber Montana?
Originally Posted by jetjockey
300wsm 200gr TLR out of a Kimber at about 75 yards on a CO satellite 5X. Quartering front shoulder shot that hit both lungs and imbedded under the skin about 3/4 of the way back after about 30-36” of penetration. I’m guessing an impact velocity of about 2750fps. Roughly about 84-85% weight retention, and looks like only 1 small petal missing. The bull ran about 40-50 yards and fell over dead. The fact that this bullet holds together so well at close range, and supposedly still expands as low as 1300fps might just make this the do everything well bullet if it shoots well out of your rifle.
Hot damn that looks good. How is the recoil? Kimber Montana?
Originally Posted by jetjockey
300wsm 200gr TLR out of a Kimber at about 75 yards on a CO satellite 5X. Quartering front shoulder shot that hit both lungs and imbedded under the skin about 3/4 of the way back after about 30-36” of penetration. I’m guessing an impact velocity of about 2750fps. Roughly about 84-85% weight retention, and looks like only 1 small petal missing. The bull ran about 40-50 yards and fell over dead. The fact that this bullet holds together so well at close range, and supposedly still expands as low as 1300fps might just make this the do everything well bullet if it shoots well out of your rifle.
Kimber Classic.
Honestly, I can’t say. I’m not really recoil shy. I will say that the hole thing was messed up. I took my scope covers off since I was in dark timber, and I forgot to reset my zoom from 10x back to 3.5 after my last range session. When I looked through the scope I couldn’t see chit because the objective was full of snow from some low aspens I worked my way through. I had to really creep the scope, and ended popping myself pretty good, even though I didn’t realize it until I wiped the “sweat” from my nose, which was blood. I always laughed at guys that did that, but now I’m the ass.🤣 Overall, 200gr bullets kick, but IMO the recoil is very manageable. I’m sold on the 200’s from my 300wsm, especially at 9500ft.
Was pretty disappointed when Federal got the rights to the Trophy Bonded and didn't offer the Trophy Bonded Tip to reloaders. Love the performance of North Fork SS bullets but these have a similar construction with a tip for higher B.C. Looking forward to getting my hands on some.
I was able to get quite a few of the Trophy Bonded Tipped when they were available. The Edge TLR bullet is a modified version of Federal’s Trophy Bonded Tip bullet. It’s a copper bullet with a bonded lead core in the front and a long, solid shank.
I buy these new bullets when they hit the market. But, I do so with trepidation knowing full well they may be but a passing rabbit on the run, never to be seen again. I learned that lesson with the Nosler Combined Technology Moly .284's in 160 grain. Those were the only Partitions I ever had extreme accuracy with & they were quite fatal to Axis bucks. As soon as I had my loads developed Nosler quit making them. Same with Speer Grand Slams, same with NorthFork. Decided I was done with that. Switched fully to Nosler AB's & BT's. Only recently opted to test 308 155 Scenar's and it's looking quite promising. They maintain .5 MOA at 3285 fps in my 300 WSM.
Next item on the agenda is TLR load development. I may not be able to get any more but I'll have a load worked up if/when I do.
I do not understand these bullet makers that create reloading components & then pull it off the market.
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I hope Federal continues to uplift this bullet long term. IMO, it’s one of the best bullets on the market. Weight retention that supposedly exceeds both the Accubond and Partition, with a much higher BC and still expands at much slower speeds.
I hope Federal continues to uplift this bullet long term. IMO, it’s one of the best bullets on the market. Weight retention that supposedly exceeds both the Accubond and Partition, with a much higher BC and still expands at much slower speeds.
Here are two I recovered from a cow elk shot Sunday. 320 yards broadside, recovered both on the far side against the hide, one a lung shot the other a heart shot. These are 175 grn factory loadings fired from an -06.
OSU_Sig - You get me hooked on the ELD-X bullet, which are shooting extremely well out of my rifle and, now, you got me curious about these. It never ends :^)
Here are two I recovered from a cow elk shot Sunday. 320 yards broadside, recovered both on the far side against the hide, one a lung shot the other a heart shot. These are 175 grn factory loadings fired from an -06.
OSU_Sig - You get me hooked on the ELD-X bullet, which are shooting extremely well out of my rifle and, now, you got me curious about these. It never ends :^)
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