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Based on all the incidents of this happening all over the country?

I keep hearing how unsafe it is, but nobody can produce even ONE instance of it happening. Yeah, I've looked too, and come up empty.

Now given the fact that it's the chamber steel that is responsible for the vast majority of the strength and safety of a shotgun, and the fact that double shotguns have been produced with aluminum receivers, with no safety issues...

I'd shoot it.

you are not and never were a gunsmith. What you call "gunsmithing" most people would call "bubbaing". It's a highly technical term for making [bleep] out of perfectly fine apples. Something you excel at.

Like you know a GD thing about me, Dumbass.

Keep trying though.

Exactly, Kenneth. That is exactly the point.

And knowing that someone did this to the gun and passes it off as an under-priced, valuable restoration, makes me wonder what else might be wrong with it.

Was it peened to give the impression of being tight on the face when a peening job might only last a box or three of shells? Sometimes such shabby work is hard to detect, sometimes it is easy. I wonder if EdM knew what to look for. Not a likely safety issue however.

I would bet beer money that the barrels have been honed to remove pits. If it looks perfect, almost certainly it has been honed. There are different ways to confirm that, depend on the gun. Nothing wrong with honing, if done correctly and carefully. But if it was honed to the point of creating barrel walls that are too thin, that's a serious safety issue. And it may affect the chokes relative to what's stamped on the barrels. Easy to check with proper tools. I'm sure rockingbar has 'em (NOT).

I don't know if an Ithaca of that vintage would have originally had 2.75" chambers or not. But if they were 2.5", now lengthened to 2.75" or they were 2.75 and now lengthened to 3", this could also cause safety issues ahead of the chamber in the forcing cones or just ahead of them. Ithaca's are not super light guns, so odds are fair that it's safe, but without careful barrel wall measurements, I'd not shoot it - not a gun that has been mucked with by someone that uses a torch.

There are a host of other things that might be wrong and then concealed by a bubbasmith job like this one. Safeties, seers, triggers come to mind.

So, maybe EdM is willing to walk across the street blindfolded, now knowing that a truck is coming. Maybe he will make it. I'd bet small beer money that he probably will, at least for a while.

But maybe he won't, and, for certain, there is not enough money in anyone's bank account to get me to pull that trigger.

Were I EdM, I'd be thinking back about the conversation with that dealer and thinking hard about whether to try and get my money back or chalk it up to a lesson learned. This would be a great gun to turn to a gun-buy-back operation. They are the only ones that will pay more than it is worth.

Meanwhile, Kenneth, you have the smart play.

I know you are clueless about vintage shotguns, esp. those that have obvious torch marks on them. That's pretty sad for someone that calls himself a gunsmith.

Come on genius.

Show us all ONE case where a shotgun failed due to that. Just one.

Oh. That's right. You can't.

All hat and no cattle.

Already told you I'm not going to do that. What part of that did you not get?

Perhaps you can tell us about your gunsmithing

Where were you trained? With whom did you apprentice? What's the name of your shop? Let's hear about it.

Unlike you, I happen to know what I'm about.

Make your case, or quit being a douchebag and STFU.

You have slandered this man's shotgun every which way from Sunday without even examining it. Just guessing.

GFY Troll.

I'm sorry rockingbar, but I'm not yours to command.

You are a fraud of a "gunsmith" and you are just generally an internet wonder with nothing tangible in the real world.

And I examined that gun all I needed to know that the gun is almost as big a fraud as you are.

Dont get too worked up Leeroy.

You might lose yer balance and fall off'n yer high horse. Its a long ways down.

You think you have everyone convinced of that do you?

Like they don't know you're fuggin' douchbag, low-life liberal troll... LOL.

Tell ya what though, Dumbass.

You post your resume.

And I'll post mine.

(Firearms industry only stuff, of course...)

I'll wait with bated breath.

In all reality it's probably a miniature horse so.......

My god but you are fun rockin'

I never claimed to be a gunsmith. I just recognize especially egregious examples of fraud in some cases. This is one of them.

YOU are the one that claims to be a gunsmith since before I was born. Let's see that resume, eh ?

Now that you've got your hobby horse a runnin' and a buckin', I hope you have tight hold on your saddle horn and a helmet on to protect your noggin.

It's been fun watching.

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Sorry to offend your sensibilities Jim and Sam, but you must be enjoying this too. Why else would you be listening in?

Going to be a very long winter as these type threads are starting early! GW

Good find on the shotgun, Ed.

The chance of a catastrophic failure are no greater than with any well made s x s which is to say Nada. But you knew that already.

This conversation has probably been entertaining for you Engineers, hasn’t it?

Yep......if everyone in a room thinks you're an a hole there's a pretty good chance that you're an a hole.

I'm looking forward to it.

Always entertaining.

I especially like the folks here that say all the folks here are dumbphucks. LOL

We aren't!??


Speak for yourself...