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I've loaded 1000 or so 200gr double tap and xtp 200s with Longshot. Bluedot is,worthless if you ever shoot in low light.....it's muzzle flash is enough to make follow up tough. Yeah, Blue Dot makes some impressively large fireballs. Try 43-45 gr of it behind a Lyman 12 gauge slug sometime for some good entertainment.  Power Pistol makes a lot of flash in the 10mm as well, as does 2400 but it's pretty useless in the 10mm anyway. #9 and #7 on the other hand produce relatively little flash. I'm ashamed to say I haven't checked the flash of Longshot yet, all my 10mm loads with it were shot in the daytime. How is it for flash? I know what you mean though about "if you ever have to shoot in low light". I used to think that was overrated, until I took a shot at dusk when handgun hunting with a 45 Colt Blackhawk (IIRC I used a 280 or 310 gr WFN and a full charge of H110). Before I shot, light was fading but still plenty to see the deer, probably 15 min before last shooting light. After the shot though, it was like I'd been staring into the sun; I honestly couldn't see the deer at all and had to just listen where it went. I try to use low flash powders for most hunting loads now, although I don't worry about it for target loads.
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I got to ask it, why mess with 220's. There seems to be a good number and styles of 200 grainers out there. If a guy stays with the 200 grainers you might not have stabilization problems, you might not have change the recoil spring, higher speeds, etc. I was just wondering what the benifets are is all. And I do appreciate trail blazers. Agreed, I shoot 200gr XTP's at 1200 fps in my DW 10mm with Longshot, were I to need a hardcast it'd be of the same weight and relative same speed, don't know what it wouldn't penetrate, would have to be a digger and may even shoot to the sights. Couple things. This is a revolver with adjustable sights, so recoil springs and point of impact not an issue whatsoever. The reason I chose 220's is because they can be shot at the same speed as 200gr and I want the maximum performance the cartridge will give me. If we can move both bullets at the same speed, I'll take the heavier. The appeal of this particular pistol to me, is the idea of a 6 shot L-frame revolver that is set up for moon clips, that will outperform a 357 without more recoil. Kind of a niche market, I understand, but I like it. An update, I shot some loads yesterday. More testing is needed, but; Buffalo Bore 220gr Hardcast shot 1150fps (advertised at 1200fps). 8.3gr Longshot gave 1180fps and was accurate. 8.6gr Longshot gave 1215fps and was accurate. Recoil is totally manageable, I would say more pleasant than full house 357 mags out of the standard 4" GP100. Both my loads appear more accurate than the Buffalo Bore load, and they are both faster. Again, more testing is needed. I'm considering trying 9gr Longshot since I can seat the bullet so much longer for the revolver. Zero pressure signs with any of these loads, but looks like it can be tricky to see pressure signs in a revolver so not sure. I may buy another disk for the thrower and ream out the hole in the auto disk so it will throw 8.8 instead of 8.6 and try that. Appreciate everyone's input. Still curious to know what anyone else is doing. 10-4 on the adjustable sights, that'll work, was out in the load shop today waiting on the Wipeout to finish soaking in an old BAR 338WM, noticed I had a partial box of new Starline brass sitting on the bench. Went and grabbed a box of 200gr XTP's, some longshot powder, then noticed I was out of WLP primers, so loaded 8.2gr longshot under five 200gr XTP's at 1.255" lit with CCI-350 primers and went to the chrono, the load with WLP's runs 1214 fps, the load with CCI-350's went 1219 fps, I was happy with that and loaded up the remaining 63 cases with that recipe, just throwing out an FYI. 
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BTW, brass was in a nice 2ft circle about 13ft off my right shoulder, and NO smileys.
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Sweet. Was thinking about picking up a box of 200 XTP's myself and a can of AA#9.
I got another can of Longshot yesterday and ordered another 1000 220's from Rimrock. Like the loads I've got so far.
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I expected much higher velocities with the mag primer, glad it remained the same, carried a shipping box out 20 yards and rested against a back porch post, yup, still shot to the sights, GTG, love those 200gr XTP's in 10mm, shot a big buck deer in the last rib, bullet pulverized the corner of the liver, chitcanned both lungs, exited offside ribcage, he walked 20 yards, stood there till he collapsed, those hardhead 220's over a stiff shot of longshot will be plows for dang sure.
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It certainly hits the dinger pretty hard at 35 yards. Would love to shoot a deer with it.
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Hope you get one before seasons gone, it was a blast using mine, I need to really make those 200gr XTP's do a little work by slamming a big hog up close.
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I got to ask it, why mess with 220's. There seems to be a good number and styles of 200 grainers out there. If a guy stays with the 200 grainers you might not have stabilization problems, you might not have change the recoil spring, higher speeds, etc. I was just wondering what the benifets are is all. And I do appreciate trail blazers. Agreed, I shoot 200gr XTP's at 1200 fps in my DW 10mm with Longshot, were I to need a hardcast it'd be of the same weight and relative same speed, don't know what it wouldn't penetrate, would have to be a digger and may even shoot to the sights. Couple things. This is a revolver with adjustable sights, so recoil springs and point of impact not an issue whatsoever. The reason I chose 220's is because they can be shot at the same speed as 200gr and I want the maximum performance the cartridge will give me. If we can move both bullets at the same speed, I'll take the heavier. The appeal of this particular pistol to me, is the idea of a 6 shot L-frame revolver that is set up for moon clips, that will outperform a 357 without more recoil. Kind of a niche market, I understand, but I like it. An update, I shot some loads yesterday. More testing is needed, but; Buffalo Bore 220gr Hardcast shot 1150fps (advertised at 1200fps). 8.3gr Longshot gave 1180fps and was accurate. 8.6gr Longshot gave 1215fps and was accurate. Recoil is totally manageable, I would say more pleasant than full house 357 mags out of the standard 4" GP100. Both my loads appear more accurate than the Buffalo Bore load, and they are both faster. Again, more testing is needed. I'm considering trying 9gr Longshot since I can seat the bullet so much longer for the revolver. Zero pressure signs with any of these loads, but looks like it can be tricky to see pressure signs in a revolver so not sure. I may buy another disk for the thrower and ream out the hole in the auto disk so it will throw 8.8 instead of 8.6 and try that. Appreciate everyone's input. Still curious to know what anyone else is doing. 10-4 on the adjustable sights, that'll work, was out in the load shop today waiting on the Wipeout to finish soaking in an old BAR 338WM, noticed I had a partial box of new Starline brass sitting on the bench. Went and grabbed a box of 200gr XTP's, some longshot powder, then noticed I was out of WLP primers, so loaded 8.2gr longshot under five 200gr XTP's at 1.255" lit with CCI-350 primers and went to the chrono, the load with WLP's runs 1214 fps, the load with CCI-350's went 1219 fps, I was happy with that and loaded up the remaining 63 cases with that recipe, just throwing out an FYI. The WLP is a magnum equivalent primer, so same, same.
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Thanks JWP, good to know, I've always thought it was a standard large pistol primer.
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Thanks JWP, good to know, I've always thought it was a standard large pistol primer. Look at the label on the WLP primer box. "For Standard or Magnum Pistol Loads"
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Thanks JWP, good to know, I've always thought it was a standard large pistol primer. It is, but is hotter than most std, non-mag LP primers. DF
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Must not forget the extremely hot Magnum Remington 2 1/2 Primer.
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Must not forget the extremely hot Magnum Remington 2 1/2 Primer. Doesn’t say magnum on the box. You saying 2 1/2 Rems are as hot as W/W WLP? DF
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Good time for another update if you have it please, huntinaz.
I haven't done much loading yet, but did find the 220gr Underwood load to be accurate and still pleasant to shoot. Advertised 1200fps. I'm getting pretty consistent 50-70 fps less than advertised with factory loads in 180, 200, and 220 grain slugs in my 4.2" Match Champion. Reliable load info is indeed still scarce for the heavies.
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What’s the best source for 220 gr. hard cast bullets?
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I have a bunch of the Rimrock 220's but have yet to try them or much of anything else out of the 5" GP, other than 180gr hardball. One of 1000 things on my to-do list. I did find some data that McNett posted on GlockTalk. https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/alliant-powder-data.179347/#post-1852538![[Linked Image]](https://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsv/large/GP%2010mm.jpg)
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Is that grip Spalted Maple? Looks nice. DF
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