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I read the article in the Oct/Nov issue of “Handloader” and found enough interest in the article that I wanted to put it to the test with my .270...
My .270 is a bone stock Winchester 70, push feed Ranger model with a Redfield Revolution 3-9. Nothing fancy by any means but it has been a great shooter. I’m fairly new to loading for the .270... I’ve always been an 06 fan and what loading I have done for my .270 has been with mostly 140 grain pills.
In short, I’m sold. Much like the article I think I could work up a little even though the 49.5 load is above current max load data. My rifle showed ZERO pressure signs and the load actually felt very mild. I didn’t get any chrono data as I only have a strap on the barrel chrono that throws accuracy way off.
Thought you all might find my findings interesting,
Todd
Actually, the bullet leaving the barrel is a pressure sign.
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Going to have to give 4064 a try again. I’ve gone through a copule pounds of it in the 30-06, etc. it was OK. Never tried it in the 270. I also recall someone saying W760 is what’s used or very similar to what’s used in the blue box federal so many of us covet. Wanting to try that as well.
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[quote=Oldbilly]Last year I lucked into a deal, on an unopened, 8 pound jug of IMR 4895 for $50.00! I went on Hodgdon's website and they showed a load for a 130 grain Honady, spire point, flat base. My Ruger Mark II, in 270 Winchester, has always been,at best, an inch and a half gun. Good enough for woods deer hunting here in New Hampshire. I loaded 46gr.of the IMR4895 behind the Honady and much to my surprise It would repeatably do less than 1 inch, 3 shot groups, at a hundred yards. I got to test it out on 180 pound, 8 pointer this fall. It worked great. 150 yard shot, DRT! I guess sometimes, it works to try things outside of the box. I originally bought the IMR 4895 for use in my 308 Winchester but thought, what the heck, I'll try in the 270. Glad I did.
Bill
Not surprised you got MOA results with H-4895 in your .270 but then your rifle is a .270! As much hell as the .270 and their users catch on the campfire Winchester creating the .270 from the 30-06 case was brilliant.
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I've had a good run with 270, but always felt like my 30-06 was easier to shoot. What with 3 6.5's, I had all but decided I was out of the 270 business when I ran across a 1963 Winchester 70 at a price too reasonable to pass up. And go figure- this beat up, bottom of the barrel pre 64 is the best 270 I've had to date. Since I can't seem to get away from the cartridge I guess I better give this a try.
OP- If you ever retry the Sierras please post your results. Were I you, I would have given that load one more test as your groups were round and not stringing or doubling.
Well done and good shooting!
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Some of the first reloads i ever did was for the wife's Uncle. He told me he wanted 49.0 grains of IMR-4064 and any 130 grain bullet i could find back then,usually Serria. This load might not be the fastest or max load but it still shoots in all of the 270 rifles i have tried it in. Still to this day i don't know how fast it is going,but it gets there in style.
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Man, was quite surprised when I looked and saw IMR data has max at 47.5...
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Depends on when the powder was bought and what loading manual you are using.
This was back in the 70's.
His J.C.Higgins loved the load.
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Going to have to give 4064 a try again. I’ve gone through a copule pounds of it in the 30-06, etc. it was OK. Never tried it in the 270. I also recall someone saying W760 is what’s used or very similar to what’s used in the blue box federal so many of us covet. Wanting to try that as well. Tom I got almost exactly the same results as Blue Box with around 54 grains if I remember correctly.
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Going to have to give 4064 a try again. I’ve gone through a copule pounds of it in the 30-06, etc. it was OK. Never tried it in the 270. I also recall someone saying W760 is what’s used or very similar to what’s used in the blue box federal so many of us covet. Wanting to try that as well. Tom I got almost exactly the same results as Blue Box with around 54 grains if I remember correctly. Thanks, got a jug of that, will give it a go
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Man, was quite surprised when I looked and saw IMR data has max at 47.5... Yep. Just pulled my 1970 Lyman manual, shows 49.0 max with 4064 and a 130.
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Just a follow up, My wife slipped a 130 gr. Nos PT with this load through the lungs of a cow at 140 yards the other day. Complete pass through, the elk took about 10 wobbly steps and nose planted. This has become a favorite load of ours. FYI, Todd
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Congratulations to both of you!
4064 doesn't throw the best but it's a great option. I find the recoil feels less.
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I started loading for the 270 in 1972, through two barrels I've used H4831 about 90% of the time. I went through a bottle of RL-22 with great results, but then started seeing the reports of temp variations so went back to H4831. Way back when the gun and I were younger, I used 4064 with Sierra 110 sp and 90 hp. Worked great and those 90 hp really blew up the hedge apples I shot for practice.
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@OP, COngrats to the wife. Looks like good eatin' ! ! ! Some of the first reloads i ever did was for the wife's Uncle. He told me he wanted 49.0 grains of IMR-4064 and any 130 grain bullet i could find back then,usually Serria. This load might not be the fastest or max load but it still shoots in all of the 270 rifles i have tried it in. Still to this day i don't know how fast it is going,but it gets there in style. As I have mentioned on other threads, I worked up a middle of the road load of Varget under 95gr NPT's about 15 years ago. Shot MOA or better in 4 or 5 different .243's in the family. Myself, kids, grand kids took a pile of KY Whitetails with this load. To this day, no idea what the actual velocity is. And don't care. It works....
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Great report buddy. Congrats on the cow!
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Congratulations to both of you!
4064 doesn't throw the best but it's a great option. I find the recoil feels less. He told me he wanted 49.0 grains of IMR-4064 and any 130 grain bullet i could find back then,usually Serria. This load might not be the fastest or max load but it still shoots in all of the 270 rifles i have tried it in. Still to this day i don't know how fast it is going,but it gets there in style. To this day, no idea what the actual velocity is. And don't care. It works.... gwrench - Yes it feels and is less recoil because of less powder and velocity. Not a criticism. Guys from several years of chronographing and 'several' 270s with 22" blls..... 49 grs 4064 and 130s (depending on lots of brass & primers) the AVERAGE velocity is +/- 2900 fps. That was one of JOC's loads and it was in my first Sierra manual as an accurate load. I killed several WT with that load. It is accurate and it DOES work. Jerry
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Justahunter- how long is the barrel on your 670? Its been decades since I saw one!
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I use 130 Ballistic tips and IMR 4350. Been using it for 40 plus years.
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Congrats on the elk! If the load works for your rifle no need to change it. Just bought my second 270 and although I've never gotten my best groups with 4831 every rifle is different and I won't shut my eyes to 4064.
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Justahunter- how long is the barrel on your 670? Its been decades since I saw one! It is actually a model 70 "Ranger"... Same thing as a 670 with a different name. It is a great shooter for what it is. It has a 22" and the velocity with 49.5 of IMR 4064 is right at 3000 FPS with the 130 Nos PT.. Thank you all for chiming in. Todd
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