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He had a good response.

I respect his views and positions. But to offer bits of rebuttal...

Those that take financial support from any entity are subject to that entities' regulation.

It makes no difference who or what entity. They all come with strings, and sooner or later, those strings can and will be pulled.

In lots of cases, the tunnel vision syndrome occurs. You start out in a very big tunnel... Lots of room in it. Lots of things encompassed. Then, the further you travel down that tunnel, the smaller in diameter it becomes.

Example: "We support the 2nd Amendment".... Then further down the tunnel, they take bump stocks. But that's OK. Hunters don't use bump stocks. Then a bit further down the tunnel, they ban high capacity mags. But we don't really use hi-caps, so it isn't affecting us. Then further down the tunnel, it narrows yet again, and bans semi-auto firearms. How many "real" hunters use those? Not many, and we really look down on those that do. So it's acceptable. A bit further down that tunnel, it gets narrower to the point that ammo is restricted to 100 rounds a year... (You see now how narrow the tunnel is getting) But you can't back out now....

You don't want to know what you have left when you are squirted out the small opening at the end. But, if you are at least a bit curious as to what awaits, then look at Europe... Because that's where we are headed. One chip at a time. One inch at a time. The tunnel is ever narrowing.

I watched the video and I agree with your post above. Your post talks about what might happen, and there's no way to deny what might happen.

Looks to me like many have concluded that it's already happened though.

There's also no denying that in the past 60 years, the tunnel has been getting increasingly narrower.

History shows that.

At what point do we stop that?

Its like informing on your neighbor to save your own ass.

It's as if he thinks our principles have never been sold out before.

His response came across as indignant and contemptuous to me. Obviously, he didn't like having to explain his business decision to those who make what he does financially possible. Felt like he was one step away from using the "tin foil hat" or "clingers" pejoratives.

No matter... he can go be Martha Stewart somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.

Anywhere we can. The part of his video I agree with though is that we need to get more people into hunting and I think his show does that by appealing to a wider swath of the population than any other "hunting show" I can think of. If we stick to recruiting new hunters from people we agree with 100% on everything, the pool of recruits shrinks considerably, like it or not.

We see the same things in our hunter ed classes, lots of people that I know I don't agree with politically but they want to hunt and own guns. I'll take it.

I have no idea about Montana politics, campaign funding or any of that, I'm stricly talking about Rinella's message.

Newberg may as well be Neville Chamberlain. Doesn’t surprise me he’d let Tester go unchecked right in front of him. I mean…. we can’t dare interfere with leisurely pursuits. After all, that’s what built this country and our standard of living…. leisurely pursuits.

And THAT is getting right down to the nut cuttin'...

It is exactly why these actions and these organizations are controversial.

None of them can do anything to justify their own actions with anything other than "It's done so we can continue to do _____________."

Deep down, they know this. And they do not like explaining these actions. Nor do they like weighing the long term consequences of their actions.

It's not just Meateater, or the BHA that does this. The NRA is notorious for it.

Burns,

Randy offered Rosendale the same platform...and he chose not to participate.

If Rosendale was such a champion of MY PUBLIC LANDS, wouldn't you think he would want to use any and all platforms to get that message out?

Rosendale was done before he started, and if not for the Trump machine spending massive tax payer dollars campaigning on his behalf...it wouldn't have been a "squeaker of a win".

Its embarrassing how much money, lots of it taxpayer money, the R's blew on Rosendale and still lost.

The one thing for certain, is that even though you think that public land transfer, which is part of the RNC platform, is not an issue...there is no doubt it is. That issue will continue to sway elections across the West. Those that think its "fake" are going to be on the losing end of a lot of elections. Count on it.

For posterity

Other than a few, sparse mentions of the land issue which are really not that popular among republicans, I don't really see that it's an RNC platform, as you say.

I do see plenty of liberal fearmongering from the likes of you though.

Nacy Pelosi would be proud.

Ben O'Brien is now a producer for Steve Rinella's show and if you listen to that guy your warm and fuzzies will disappear quickly.

He claims to have created the "Pro-Nuance/Anti-Bullschit" slogan used by the show. Yet whenever someone talks gun control or wanting to shoot an elephant, he stays very fugking clear of nuance.

Rinella is personable and came up with a good show but he's the last guy I want advocating for anything politically. In interviews he allows anti-gun sentiments to cruise right by and he doesn't do a good job of defending all types of hunting. He will defend baiting and the use of dogs but he isn't horribly articulate about it and he approaches everything from a "please understand so I can keep doing this" approach. He and his show are in bed with the anti-gun community. Period.

He can use examples like Fox News as never being influenced by left leaning sponsors but he only displays his own naivety when he does so.

I for one DO NOT want more hunters. I would much rather see hunters get on a unified front with companies in the renewable resource business and make compromises with those demographics than some left leaning cock sucker that has only one goal.

You may as well argue with smokepole's buddy.

Buzz is a raging liberal.

You nailed it and that's one of the reasons I can't stand the influx of new hunters.

By and large they carry a chip on their shoulder and think cows belong in a slaughterhouse and not in a pasture.

The left is using these clowns to march through their first priority which is farmers, ranchers, logging industry, mining rights, etc. Hunters will be discarded of after that.

OK, I give. Who is "my buddy?"

Jeffrey.

LOL, why do you say that?

Put on the readers old timer...

“Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states. We call upon all national and state leaders and representatives to exert their utmost power and influence to urge the transfer of those lands, identified in the review process, to all willing states for the benefit of the states and the nation as a whole. The residents of state and local communities know best how to protect the land where they work and live.”

Oh, and speaking of fear mongering old timer....you would know it when you see it, no arguing that.

This guy is correct.