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Back in 2006 I tried a Granite Gear Flatbed... not comfortable at all...
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Is that a satellite dish I see on that strap? Ted, it is indeed... that's the Gen I you sent me a few years back! Hopefully you get "more channels" with the newest model Frankenstud
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It takes two horses to carry a bull out. The only bone we leave in is the femurs. A horse can carry a three hundred pound man pretty well. But 200 lb of dead weight on a pack saddle is a pretty hard and fast rule. Unless you are packing on a Belgian, I suppose. Never saw anybody try that.
She's not a Belgian, but my Percheron cross has carried a few bulls out in one trip. 4 quarters, tender loins, back straps, and horns. Bone in. Doesn't seem to even be a little bit of an issue. I guess none of them were the World's biggest bulls. One was my busted up 6 point from this fall. There are actually quite a few drafts and draft crosses being used to ride and pack or both like mine. Crosses are kind of a fad right now, but outfitters have been using them for years. I've packed more than a few loads on full percherons. Only real issue is I'm 5'9" and the tops of those loads is a lot higher than that. I'd rather have two for it but one if big enough and in shape can and does do the job.
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My first elk hunt back in about 1966, we rented two full percherons, 17 hds. First day of the season, we killed three bulls.Those two percherons carried all three out in one trip. One was 36 and the other 26 according to the old sheep rancher we rented them from. At 5'-6" I had a hard time even helping load them. Yea,the outfitters I know use them for guys that say they are 220 #'s and show up just shy of 300
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For you goat owners. What breed is best suited for hauling? And outside of initial purchase, how much do they run you dollar wise to keep. Just curious. Once upon a time I was thinking of a couple of solid Rottweilers or maybe mastiffs that were cart trained would be handy. Not sure if picking up three pound dog turds would outweigh throwing hay bales. Sorry I missed this. I use Alpine and Alpine crosses. I think they are the easiest to find with good size. If I bred my own I would do Alpines hybridized with any of the Swiss type breeds (Alpine, Toggenburg, Oberhasli, Saanen). Two of my best kids are Saanen and Togg crosses. Plan about $30-$40 per goat for feed per month. I run pretty close to $200 for my 7 each month. You may not need or want 7, but my hope was to be able to handle a camp for 2-3 guys and one elk out on the same trip. 6 would probably do that. Just for comparison, my 5 llamas will eat a bit less than 1/2 bale of grass hay a day, total. Grass hay bales usually run in the 70 to 80lb range so a ton will last about 50 days. Right now around here grass hay is selling for about $9/bale or $225/ton. That works out to about $25 to 27/llama/month. They have an extremely efficient feed conversion rate and will eat far less per lb of body weight than most other large animals. You can feed them alfalfa but they get too fat on it. In the spring, you have to work harder to get the fat off to get them in shape for packing. Thanks both of you. Do Llamas get spooky with bear carcasses or lion? I’ve heard that they are good at keeping predators away like coyotes or wolves. Is this true or fake news.
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I can't answer that. Mine have never been near a bear or a lion. I suspect, though, that they'd be skittish at first but calm right down. That's what they normally do with anything new. Being near a predator might be different, though. I'd bet, though, that they'd deal with it better than a horse. They're calmer by nature.
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According to the fella down the road from me. They aren't scared of much. What much entails I don't know. He did tell me he uses them for bear hunting. So I will just assume his anyways are callous to it.
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Having some young whippersnappers in camp always helps😀
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Having some young whippersnappers in camp always helps😀 How old are you?
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69 year old flatlander and I’ve been going out to Colorado for 20 plus years. We have some good hills in our neighborhood that I jog on and it seems like every year I think, “I should have done some more hills in my workout.”😀
I don’t think I’ll be able to go this year because the ticker has been acting up. I go to the hospital tomorrow morning for an EP Study and possible ablation, pacemaker or ICD. Heart trouble runs in the family 😕
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It takes two horses to carry a bull out. The only bone we leave in is the femurs. A horse can carry a three hundred pound man pretty well. But 200 lb of dead weight on a pack saddle is a pretty hard and fast rule. Unless you are packing on a Belgian, I suppose. Never saw anybody try that.
She's not a Belgian, but my Percheron cross has carried a few bulls out in one trip. 4 quarters, tender loins, back straps, and horns. Bone in. Doesn't seem to even be a little bit of an issue. I guess none of them were the World's biggest bulls. One was my busted up 6 point from this fall. There are actually quite a few drafts and draft crosses being used to ride and pack or both like mine. Crosses are kind of a fad right now, but outfitters have been using them for years. I've packed more than a few loads on full percherons. Only real issue is I'm 5'9" and the tops of those loads is a lot higher than that. I'd rather have two for it but one if big enough and in shape can and does do the job. Is that Percheron cross the one you're going to plant me on for sheep?
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Backed packed out a dozen or so elk with Dana designs pack
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Backed packed out a dozen or so elk with Dana designs pack The Dana Designs Bomb Pack was my pack of choice for many years.
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Mystery Ranch Cabinet worked great this year with no obvious pain. It's a keeper.
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This was a pretty handy hauler last Tuesday... makes for a nice clean piece of meat with zero wastage... I’ve hauled enough of em out in little pieces to appreciate the easy ones when they happen.... good grocery trip.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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This was a pretty handy hauler last Tuesday... makes for a nice clean piece of meat with zero wastage... I’ve hauled enough of em out in little pieces to appreciate the easy ones when they happen.... good grocery trip. Heck yes... I take the easy ones when I can...
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I've only been able to use a motorized vehicle 1 time. A few years ago, my partner and I got 2 cows up on a snow covered hillside. We were able to skid them to the bottom in a foot of snow, then drive my pickup about 1/4 mile through sagebrush to get them.
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Nobody using the Barney's pack? No not the purple Barney, the Barneys Sport Chalet in Anchorge backpack. I haven't used it for elk but have for sheep and caribou in Alaska. Should have had it for the moose instead of the Alice!! https://barneyssports.com/product-category/default-category/packs-bags/external-frame/
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Most of our crew uses a frame
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Yep, my old Cabela’s Alaskan Guide freighter is still the most comfortable hauler I own. I’ve tried to replace it a couple times with dual-use pack-haulers and end up disappointed in the comfort. Still looking...At least I own a frame that handles heavy loads comfortably. Sometimes they get it right the first time, albeit 25 years ago. 😎
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