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I have one with a 25 inch tube with a 9 twist and it shoots 140 gr. accubonds fantastic. It weighs 8 lbs all up and the recoil is very tolerable with the 140's.
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Anyone shoot a 150 or 160 all copper Barnes or GMX with good accuracy? What twist? I’m still need some convincing and am worried about 1:8 being too fast twist.
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I shoot 145 LRX's in to itty bitty little groups w/ my 8" twist 7mm-08AI. Ditto that w/ 150 Scenar L's .
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I have two 24’s and one 26. I get 50 to 60 fps out of the 26. The shorter rifles are handier in a stand.
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I’d like to go with 25 inches for a blend of speed and handling. I need to shoot copper bullets, so they will be longer then lead equivalents. Something like the 168 grain Barnes TTSX. Can I get away with a 1:9 inch? Or do I need 1:8? Which would be better in a slightly shorter, 25 inch barrel? Or is that a bad idea altogether? What action? Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I’d like to go with 25 inches for a blend of speed and handling. I need to shoot copper bullets, so they will be longer then lead equivalents. Something like the 168 grain Barnes TTSX. Can I get away with a 1:9 inch? Or do I need 1:8? Which would be better in a slightly shorter, 25 inch barrel? Or is that a bad idea altogether? What action? Hint................ Post 64 Win M 70 Classic. New Haven.
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I'd not build over 23",would go 1-8" and throat expressly for 180 ELD Smooches,leaving room to chases lands. What stock? What application?
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I'd not build over 23",would go 1-8" and throat expressly for 180 ELD Smooches,leaving room to chases lands. What stock? What application?
Hint............... I’ve got the barrel length figured out. No more need for discussion there. The remaining issue is the barrel twist. I cannot shoot lead bullets. The heavy Berger’s and ELDs and such that keep coming up are a non starter. This build needs to be done to shoot lead free bullets and the selection is limited. That’s why I meantioned the 168lrx. That would be my first choice. I’d settle for the 150 ttsx, and/or GMX, or even the 145 LRX if I had to. Therein lies the rub. Is there a bbl twist that could shoot both weight classes well? Barnes says I need 8” for the 168lrx, but if that doesn’t work, will the 150s work out of the 8”. Getting mixed opinions on that. I don’t want to build a gun around one bullet that may be discontinued in the future or just not shoot well for me. Or do I go with 9” knowing that I’d be good with the lighter bullets, but going against the 8” recommended twist for the bullet I really want to shoot? Or split the difference with a 8.5”, if that even matters. Decisions... Stock is a McMillan hunter. Just your standard sporter build with the ability to reach out a bit if I have to. Not a dedicated long range gun as I have no interest shooting 800 yards. And I want to be able to carry it without it feeling like a boat anchor. Your typical versatile western hunting rifle.
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I'd not build over 23",would go 1-8" and throat expressly for 180 ELD Smooches,leaving room to chases lands. What stock? What application?
Hint............... I’ve got the barrel length figured out. No more need for discussion there. The remaining issue is the barrel twist. I cannot shoot lead bullets. The heavy Berger’s and ELDs and such that keep coming up are a non starter. This build needs to be done to shoot lead free bullets and the selection is limited. That’s why I meantioned the 168lrx. That would be my first choice. I’d settle for the 150 ttsx, and/or GMX, or even the 145 LRX if I had to. Therein lies the rub. Is there a bbl twist that could shoot both weight classes well? Barnes says I need 8” for the 168lrx, but if that doesn’t work, will the 150s work out of the 8”. Getting mixed opinions on that. I don’t want to build a gun around one bullet that may be discontinued in the future or just not shoot well for me. Or do I go with 9” knowing that I’d be good with the lighter bullets, but going against the 8” recommended twist for the bullet I really want to shoot? Or split the difference with a 8.5”, if that even matters. Decisions... Stock is a McMillan hunter. Just your standard sporter build with the ability to reach out a bit if I have to. Not a dedicated long range gun as I have no interest shooting 800 yards. And I want to be able to carry it without it feeling like a boat anchor. Your typical versatile western hunting rifle. Then a 7mm Rem Mag would be amongst my LAST choices. Pass the Fieldcraft 7-08. Hint....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions.
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................ Right, about bbl length and twist rate, not cal. Still would like more opinions on twist.
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................ Right, about bbl length and twist rate, not cal. Still would like more opinions on twist. How many people have to tell you 8" twist will work for all of the combinations you listed before you take yes for an answer? David
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................ Right, about bbl length and twist rate, not cal. Still would like more opinions on twist. I'm simply afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................ Right, about bbl length and twist rate, not cal. Still would like more opinions on twist. How many people have to tell you 8" twist will work for all of the combinations you listed before you take yes for an answer? David Valid point (although you sound angry), but all of the posts suggesting a 8” seem to be doing so on a theoretical basis. I was looking for actual personal experience with the specific bullets I mentioned and the 8” twist. After 2 pages, that still hasn’t happened.
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You simply remain at the abilities of your "comprehension" and do NOT slight that humor.
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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You simply remain at the abilities of your "comprehension" and do NOT slight that humor.
Hint.................. Thanks but not really interested in caliber opinions. You were asking the questions,not me. You've been led to water. Hint................ Right, about bbl length and twist rate, not cal. Still would like more opinions on twist. How many people have to tell you 8" twist will work for all of the combinations you listed before you take yes for an answer? David Valid point (although you sound angry), but all of the posts suggesting a 8” seem to be doing so on a theoretical basis. I was looking for actual personal experience with the specific bullets I mentioned and the 8” twist. After 2 pages, that still hasn’t happened. Ask her how the date on Valentine’s Day went. She’s quite the lady’s gal
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You can not over twist a mono. It only gets better.
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I'd not build over 23",would go 1-8" and throat expressly for 180 ELD Smooches,leaving room to chases lands. What stock? What application?
Hint............... I’ve got the barrel length figured out. No more need for discussion there. The remaining issue is the barrel twist. I cannot shoot lead bullets. The heavy Berger’s and ELDs and such that keep coming up are a non starter. This build needs to be done to shoot lead free bullets and the selection is limited. That’s why I meantioned the 168lrx. That would be my first choice. I’d settle for the 150 ttsx, and/or GMX, or even the 145 LRX if I had to. Therein lies the rub. Is there a bbl twist that could shoot both weight classes well? Barnes says I need 8” for the 168lrx, but if that doesn’t work, will the 150s work out of the 8”. Getting mixed opinions on that. I don’t want to build a gun around one bullet that may be discontinued in the future or just not shoot well for me. Or do I go with 9” knowing that I’d be good with the lighter bullets, but going against the 8” recommended twist for the bullet I really want to shoot? Or split the difference with a 8.5”, if that even matters. Decisions... Stock is a McMillan hunter. Just your standard sporter build with the ability to reach out a bit if I have to. Not a dedicated long range gun as I have no interest shooting 800 yards. And I want to be able to carry it without it feeling like a boat anchor. Your typical versatile western hunting rifle. My hunting partner is shooting the 168 LRX in an 8" twisted 7mm mag and they are shooting very well, I have an 8.2 but I'm shooting 168 gr Berger hvld's and will be trying the 168 LRX this spring and doubt I will have any issues.....go 8" and you'll be good to go!
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If an 8 twist will stabilize up to 200 grain VLDs then I doubt you would ever need to go faster. The 200 gr. plus seem like 30 caliber territory to me. Always pick for your primary bullet or the one you will shoot the most. But no down side until the super light or frangible bullets are driven fast and even then some could handle it with an unworn barrel.
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