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#13449878 - 01/13/19 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ?  
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In a recent trade I came by a box of 500 gr .458 RN. It appears that loading them to cycle thru the action is not gonna leave much room for powder, so I’m wondering if anyone has tried pistol powders with these bullets.

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#13450985 - 01/14/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Nothing wrong with shooting 500gr solids out of an 1895. But you've got to keep COL under 2.6". You'll find lots of recipes for cast 500gr, but might be nothing for jacketed. Don't expect more than 15-1600fps.

As far as plinkers, 6-7gr of Bullseye-class fast powders will net you 750fps. I've made 500gr cast plinkers before, but never jacketed. My plinkers were fun to shoot. Have fun!

#13451839 - 01/14/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Lyman cast manual from 1973 says 12 to 16 grains Unique or 21.5 to 27.5 grains of 2400 for a 482 grain cast gas check bullet if that is any help!

#13452047 - 01/14/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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dammm thats a hunk of lead..........these are only 400's

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#13452597 - 01/14/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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41 gr of RL7 pushes 525 gr Beartooth Bullets Pile Drivers along at ~1630 out of my GBL.

I'd say that's probably more than enough to kill anything I might ever hunt.


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#13452860 - 01/14/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Thanks for the replies. I’m gonna see what a 1200/FPS load will do to a hog. A 350 gr Hornady will reliably exit thru the shoulders of a 200 pound hog but won’t shoot thru one lengthwise.

We shall find out.


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#13460399 - 01/16/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Rest assured if one gets such a slug up to 16 or 17 hundred fps, it will be killing on both ends. I loaded up some 405's to 1,750, and they are not fun. Have mold for some 540 grain slugs, but I am not going there with the Guide Gun. Will give them a try though in 15lb 45-90 Sharps.

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#13460582 - 01/16/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Have mold for some 540 grain slugs, but I am not going there with the Guide Gun.


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#13462469 - 01/17/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: 1minute]  
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1200 may be more than I want to tolerate. We shall see.


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#13463914 - 01/17/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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1200, not so bad.....1550 gits to be "thumpish". Not painful standing, very painful off a bench.

The recoil is cumulative, 6 or 7 rounds and a .223 sounds like a good idea.

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#13499951 - 01/27/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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AA5744 is a good powder for cast bullets about 20-25 grains for a 405 gr.

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#13545596 - 02/09/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Originally Posted by curdog4570
In a recent trade I came by a box of 500 gr .458 RN. It appears that loading them to cycle thru the action is not gonna leave much room for powder, so I’m wondering if anyone has tried pistol powders with these bullets.


I have shot quite a few 1895's over the years and maybe 20 or more years ago I did the same thing as you. I loaded Hornady 500gn RN and the OAL was too long to cycle though the action though they fed singly. The other issue is you cannot unload the rifle with a loaded round and have to remove the bolt as if for cleaning which is not practical in the field so you really need motivation to play with this option. Me, I was in a position to leave it chambered and lower the hammer, or fire off that longer round before cycling the rest and putting it away empty.

Here are some loads I tried seated to the cannelure from the lot I had back then.
50gn IMR 4064 = 1491fps
48gn AR 2206 = 1434fps
45gn AR 2207 (H 4198) = 1576fps
46gn Rel 7 = 1504fps
50gn Rel 12 = 1439fps

These loads were tested in a Marlin 1895 SS with 22" barrel.
I also shot a lot of feral goats with them and they were mostly lifeless at the shot. Because the rifle is neither designed nor intended for this bullet weight, recoil is not pleasant with the light rifle weight, excessive drop at heal and hard rubber plate loosely called, a recoil pad.

These days I would stop with a 250gn or 300gn Barnes TSX for everything out to as far as you can hit them.


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#13549618 - 02/10/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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Am staying with a Cast Performance 420gr WLNGC until my stocks run out, solid brass Penetrators and then going with Beartooth 425gr Pile Driver Jr.

Plenty for anything at 1650-1800fps. Got enough "bear defense" cartridges for half the bears in the North Cascades!

#13554185 - 02/12/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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I had a very humbling experience with my 1895 two days ago.

I was at the local range and a guy set up a chronograph. He let me use it. I learned to put it much further from the muzzle. He also used a much more sturdy tripod than I had been using.

So I went home and dug mine out and put it on a sturdy tripod. Took some 405 grain reloads out with a 1895 ported . These reloads have a almost shrink wrap plasticc lining around the bearing surface! It appeared my chronograph was operating fairly accurately when shooting a 35 Remington and a 356 ER.

The 1895 45/70 shot the 405 s 2000 fps! I rechecked my load data. All I can think of is I must have started with the 300 grain bullet data!

I shudder to think if I would have used this recipie for the non plastic coated bullets! The box the cartridges were in stated 49 grains H 4198 with cci 250 primers. I am gonna pull a bullet and weigh it today but for now I believe they are 405 grainers.


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#13554379 - 02/12/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: Angus1895]  
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Wow...I stopped at 40gr of H4198 at ~1700fps with 18 1/2" barrels w/405s.

#13554745 - 02/12/19 Re: 500 gr Bullet in 1895 ? [Re: curdog4570]  
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These loads have shot out of two other 1895 s.

But I think I really screwed this up and some how escaped tragedy.


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