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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Gun shoots great.

I did use Gunslick brand foaming bore cleaner and let it set for 30 min. Then brushed thoroughly, then patched wet and dry alternating Outers Nitro bore solevent until no more blue. Those products were just what I had on hand. All said on the bottle they remove copper fouling. Yet still a visual inspection looks like copper in the rifling.

That stuff/process inadequate? I did order some Barnes CR10, hopefully that works better.


If you are applying a copper solvent, and then brushing with a phosphor bronze brush, you may in fact be dissolving the brush.

I haven't used the Gunslick product, because I find Sweets 7.62 does a sterling job on copper fouling.I also don't understand why you'd use the copper solvent first, then the nitro solvent.

Here's how I do it:

I start with a nitro solvent (Hoppes No 9). I apply it on a loose patch on a loop, and then give the bore a good going over with a phosphor bronze brush, letting the brush go all the way out of the muzzle before reversing direction. I then patch out using a jag, until the patches come out clean. I repeat the process if necessary, until there's no powder fouling on the patches.

I then have a good look at the bore from each end, to judge as to whether I need to worry about metal fouling.If I do, I again put a fairly loose patch on a loop. I wet this well with Sweets 7.62, and pump it up and down the bore vigorously - getting a bit of a foam happening seems to make it work better. I then patch out using tight patches on a jag until the patches are clean, and have another look. If there still seems to be copper I might repeat the Sweets, but let it sit for a while before patching out again.

Once the bore seems clean I put a lightly oiled patch through and call it done.

Others may have different techniques, but that has worked for me for decades.

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I still use Shooters Choice for copper fouling and JB Bore Paste for stubborn build up of lead and copper and it works fine for me. Wipe out is a last resort for me because of the mess it tends to make, but it can be a good step in the process...


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Originally Posted by dan_oz
Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Gun shoots great.

I did use Gunslick brand foaming bore cleaner and let it set for 30 min. Then brushed thoroughly, then patched wet and dry alternating Outers Nitro bore solevent until no more blue. Those products were just what I had on hand. All said on the bottle they remove copper fouling. Yet still a visual inspection looks like copper in the rifling.

That stuff/process inadequate? I did order some Barnes CR10, hopefully that works better.


If you are applying a copper solvent, and then brushing with a phosphor bronze brush, you may in fact be dissolving the brush.

I haven't used the Gunslick product, because I find Sweets 7.62 does a sterling job on copper fouling.I also don't understand why you'd use the copper solvent first, then the nitro solvent.

Here's how I do it:

I start with a nitro solvent (Hoppes No 9). I apply it on a loose patch on a loop, and then give the bore a good going over with a phosphor bronze brush, letting the brush go all the way out of the muzzle before reversing direction. I then patch out using a jag, until the patches come out clean. I repeat the process if necessary, until there's no powder fouling on the patches.

I then have a good look at the bore from each end, to judge as to whether I need to worry about metal fouling.If I do, I again put a fairly loose patch on a loop. I wet this well with Sweets 7.62, and pump it up and down the bore vigorously - getting a bit of a foam happening seems to make it work better. I then patch out using tight patches on a jag until the patches are clean, and have another look. If there still seems to be copper I might repeat the Sweets, but let it sit for a while before patching out again.

Once the bore seems clean I put a lightly oiled patch through and call it done.

Others may have different techniques, but that has worked for me for decades.


I only used the copper foaming solvent first out of laziness. Hoping it would do most of the work for me.

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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Can one of you guys post a link to the JB bore cleaner that is good with copper? I see several different types. Which one are we talking about and what is the best process to use?


Regular. JB bore paste in the plastic jar. I mix mine with a little Kroil, wrap a patch around a bronze bore brush so that it fits tightly in the bore, soak the patch in the JB/Kroil mixture, and force the patch through the barrel. Normally my barrels are clean in 20 strokes or less. Make sure the patch/brush fits tightly and clean out the mixture when you’re done.

That being said, the only time I clean a barrel to this extent is when I apply Dyna Bore Kote, or buy a used rifle that has a ton of fouling in it. Cleaning this much normally changes groups in my rifles, sometimes for the worse. It may take a bunch of rounds to get the barrel back to shooting consistently depending on the barrel, which is why I normally don’t worry much about a little copper in the barrel, as long as the rifle is grouping okay.

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Was it heavy buildup, or a copper "wash" over the steel? Would it still shoot well with some copper in it?

Please explain copper “wash”?


It's awkward to explain, looks more like coloration rather than a material buildup.

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Originally Posted by mathman
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Was it heavy buildup, or a copper "wash" over the steel? Would it still shoot well with some copper in it?

Please explain copper “wash”?


It's awkward to explain, looks more like coloration rather than a material buildup.


That’s precisely what this looks like.

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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Just came home from a range session with a new (to me) CZ 550. The gun shot fantastic. I gave it a very thorough cleaning when I got home, using copper solvent. Scrubbed with a brush and patched until no more blue. It’s clean! But when I look into the muzzle end of the bore I see copper colored rifling. I wish I could figure out how to post a pic here. Anyone seen this before? Any concern? The bore is bright and shiny, no rust, no pitting. The coloration appears to be in the recesses of the rifling.



Leave it alone! Several have already mentioned this, it is best to leave the bore alone. You said it shoots great, so be happy and leave it alone. I had a friend that shot more ammunition just fire forming cases than most of these people on the Campfire do shooting. You have no idea how much this guy shot. He was also a surgeon and couldn't abide by any residue left in the bore.

He finally bought an electronic bore cleaner that you seal the chamber, pour in a solvent then put the electric rod into the bore and let it sit for hours. It did pull all the copper out of the bore, but he never shot enough ammo through that gun to get it shooting as well as it did before the treatment.

Keep that gun with the bore it has and shoot it...


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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
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Was it heavy buildup, or a copper "wash" over the steel? Would it still shoot well with some copper in it?

Please explain copper “wash”?


It's awkward to explain, looks more like coloration rather than a material buildup.


That’s precisely what this looks like.


Then if the accuracy doesn't fall off I wouldn't worry much about it.

I have a rifle that does its best when fouled a bit. It has a cro-mo barrel so I give it a couple of Ballistol laden patches now and then since it's pretty moist here in Cajun country. (My shooting range used to be a rice field. When I mow my back yard I watch to avoid cypress knees coming up through the grass. grin)

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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Just came home from a range session with a new (to me) CZ 550. The gun shot fantastic. I gave it a very thorough cleaning when I got home, using copper solvent. Scrubbed with a brush and patched until no more blue. It’s clean! But when I look into the muzzle end of the bore I see copper colored rifling. I wish I could figure out how to post a pic here. Anyone seen this before? Any concern? The bore is bright and shiny, no rust, no pitting. The coloration appears to be in the recesses of the rifling.



Leave it alone! Several have already mentioned this, it is best to leave the bore alone. You said it shoots great, so be happy and leave it alone. I had a friend that shot more ammunition just fire forming cases than most of these people on the Campfire do shooting. You have no idea how much this guy shot. He was also a surgeon and couldn't abide by any residue left in the bore.

He finally bought an electronic bore cleaner that you seal the chamber, pour in a solvent then put the electric rod into the bore and let it sit for hours. It did pull all the copper out of the bore, but he never shot enough ammo through that gun to get it shooting as well as it did before the treatment.

Keep that gun with the bore it has and shoot it...



This is good advice. You said it shoots good so don't worry about it. Now when you go to shoot the rifle again after all the cleaning the first several shots are going to be laying back down a base of copper. Some copper fouling in your barrel is good if its covering up tiny little imperfections in your barrel and aids in a consistent bore. Towards the end of the muzzle pressure and heat is dropping and most barrels will show more copper in that area. Unless it starts grouping poorly don't remove the copper if your concerned about moisture just run a patch lightly oiled down your barrel when your finished shooting.

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