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J : some here could comment further, but that is a very interesting point about the practicality of more than one hunting weight bullet shooting to the same poi. I assume this is at 100 yards ?
Perhaps this is why Winchester produced them at 25” barrel length , hmm 🤔 All the way out to 200.
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Sold my 721 as the stock had way too much drop at he comb, it would cause you to really raise off the stock to see though the scope. I may be a weirdo but lit my scope mounted high enough that I can put my thumb between the scope and bolt for a comfortable carry. Your 721 wasn't practical.
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jorge,
Some rifles will put various weight bullets in the same group, especially in certain chamberings. My pre-'64 Model 70 .300 H&H do not, and neither did either of my other .300 H&H's, one a custom rifle on the post-'64 Model 70 "classic" action, and a Ruger No. 1B. I realize that, hence my comments on this particular rifle AND the 300 H&H Gunner 500 now has. I have two other rifles "blessed" with this gift, a Model 70 in 375 and an early model Ruger RSM (no barrel band) in 416 Rigby. It was by no means a "blanket" statement covering all rifles in that chambering.
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Jorge,
I suspected you did, but had to comment.
My experience is that rifles are far more likely to put various bullet weights into the same place at 100 (or 200) yards if:
1) The barrel is heavier in contour, which would also include the SAME contour barrel in smaller calibers.
2) The rifle weighs more than average, which ties into 1.
3) The difference in bullet weight isn't vast--which I suspect is why so many .270 Winchesters put 130's and 150's into the same place.
4) In light-to-medium contour barrels, there's firm contact between the barrel and forend. I already mentioned the NULA bedding, but the forend screw in pre-'64 Model 70's can also work the same way.
Have also seen the same trends with powders that result in muzzle-velocity differences of 100 fps or more in widely varying temperatures.
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Thanks for that explanation, John. When I think about it, all three rifles I mentioned fit into the profile you listed
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My experience is that rifles are far more likely to put various bullet weights into the same place at 100 (or 200) yards if:
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Have also seen the same trends with powders that result in muzzle-velocity differences of 100 fps or more in widely varying temperatures.
MD I agree fully with your 4 points, but I’m a little confused what you’re saying in this last bit. Could you elaborate on this last part please. Also , In 3) above, are you saying that 140s in the 270 are “Half-Vast “ 😁. ?
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338,
I tried to avoid the 140 comment, but you did if for me!
Temperature-sensitive powders can definitely change POI when it gets much colder or hotter than when the rifle was sighted-in. In fact this phenomenon was how I got into testing powders at different temperatures in the first place. I tell the story in Gun Gack II, where a very accurate .270 Winchester that shot 130's and 150's into the same small group at 70 Fahrenheit did NOT down around zero. The 130-grain groups opened way up, and the 150's shot about 3 inches from point of aim.
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If I were practical, I’d have a 30-06, a 12 gauge, a 50 cal muzzle loader, a 22LR, and a .223 at the very most and I’d stop there. I must be impractical.
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Are there practical reasons to own a .300 H&H? welllll.....dead elk is one of them!!!
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If I were practical, I’d have a 30-06, a 12 gauge, a 50 cal muzzle loader, a 22LR, and a .223 at the very most and I’d stop there. I must be impractical. My father had a 30-06, a 12 ga, and 22LR. Too cheap to buy more guns, and would not buy me any guns when I was a kid. I saved up $10 when I was 10 years old and got a Daisy model 25 BB gun. I have been buying guns ever since.
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My M700 Classic.
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My M700 Classic. That's an attractive rifle. Good stock lines...even if it is a Remington!
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Are there practical reasons to own a .300 H&H? If you own one, you practically do not need to own a lot of other rifles.
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The practical reason I have a 300 H&H is "BECAUSE I WANTED ONE". It put down 2 elk this past season.
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New in the box 300 H&H Classic on GB for 1600.00 I know where there is a NIB and it way way cheaper then that Do tell!
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