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gremcat,
If I'd run across that Sako it would be in my safe right now!
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That was one of the reasons I didn't jump right away because it looked well loved. The bluing was solid but the stock had a lot of wear.
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Mule Deer pm sent
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Well the .264/6.5's are obsolete.... Don't have a single one in my gunsafe. 
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gremcat,
If I'd run across that Sako it would be in my safe right now! I found one here on the Campfire and even found another deluxe stock to put it in and bed the action so I can blast varmints with it. I am sure there are not many that varmint hunt with an obsolete, pre-Garcia, Bofors marked Sako deluxe... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/rifles/121_3083.jpg)
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What kind of varmints are you going to use the .264 on?? It makes a wonderful coyote/rockchuck rifle..
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David,
I tried several powders in my Ruger .264 for an article in HANDLOADER, and Ramshot Magnum, Reloder 25 and Retumbo worked best. In my rifle 63.5 grains of RL-25 shot the smallest groups woith 140's, and showed zero signs of high pressure with cases or over the chronograph, even though it's 3.5 grains over Alliant's max. But am in the process of trying some even slower powders now, which are more temp-stable than RL-15--though 25 would work fine if you're not hunting in widely varying weather.
I should add that in my first .264, a pre-'64 Model 70 Westerner, Magnum turned out to be the best powder with 140's. There wasn't any published data then, but the load I settled on (68.5 grains) turned out to be just about exactly what Ramshot lists as their maximum among 140's today. It got around 3220 fps and very good accuracy from the 26" barrel.
Hi John, How temp-stable is Ramshot Magnum Thanks
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It's pretty good, or at least has been in the cartridges I've tried it in. The first round I used it extensively in was the .257 Weatherby Magnum, pretty similar to the .264. The load I worked up with 100-grain TSX's lost 27 fps from 70 to zero Fahrenheit, with no change in POI or accuracy.
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It's not that Liberals are unwilling to listen to another point of view, they are just simply amazed that another one exists.
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Once upon a time the 264 was the 26 Nosler of its time.
I'm sure there were folks proclaiming the 264 dead on arrival too. Many cartridges come along, have their time in the spotlight, then become relatively obscure.
Examples are abundant,and it rarely has much to do with whether they are good or not. very interesting post.....and can't say I disagree with any of it..... I've owned two M-70 rifles in .264 Mag and liked them both except I just am not a long barrel fan....26 " barrels don't fit in my gun cabinet.....I even bobbed my .300 H&H from 26" to 24" to make it a tad easier to carry without snagging every branch in the mountains. My current model is a custom I produced and it sports a 23" barrel......and it's a lot happier in my gun rack than the older 26" model was. I much prefer it over the .257 Weatherby rifles I've owned for it's ability to handle heavier bullets and with 100 grain TTSX, it shoots very well In truth, I have never done anything with it that I couldn't have done with my .25-06 or my 270 Winchester....but it's not for sale....at least not yet. Is it obsolete?....certainly not in my house!
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I used my 264 to take my biggest Bull, and my biggest Buck at 658, and 498 yards. One shot kills for each. 140 VLD at a pretty mild 3100 fps. It's my go to gun when it' time to get serious about filling a tag.
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I think all my cartridges are "obsolete." They seem to work somehow, though, and I'm not about to stop using them. Maybe one day I'll acquire something that isn't obsolete.
Really, though...the headstamp is the least important part of the equation. What counts is: what bullet it is, how fast it is going, and where it hits.
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WW & RP still load it. $40-$50 a box not inexpensive but there are more expensive factory rounds for sale out there. Looked at a new M70 the other day and anew M70 Featherweight both chambered for 264 Win Mag. Not obsolete in my book, what is obsolete about them are the frigging SAAMI spec short throats made for the old dual diameter bullets loaded by Remington and WW. Sheeeit, Rem even uses the same 140 dual diameter in their 140gr Creemoor factory load. Be awhile before I get rid of my M700 Ltd Classic in 264.
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Here is a couple of obsolete 264’s. One is a three digit and the other a low four digit Sako’s with 26” barrels. They both shoot sub inch with 140 Berger’s or 140 Ballistic tips. I have a box of 120 Barnes TTSX I’m going to try. ![[Linked Image]](http://a66.tinypic.com/2rhn3t3.jpg)
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Here is a couple of obsolete 264’s. One is a three digit and the other a low four digit Sako’s with 26” barrels. They both shoot sub inch with 140 Berger’s or 140 Ballistic tips. I have a box of 120 Barnes TTSX I’m going to try. Sure like the looks of those, Hanco. 😎😎
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When I was just a kid reading gun/outdoor magazines I remember thinking what a great long range deer zapper the .264 would be. Alas, even back then I was aware I'd never get the chance to really stretch it's legs around here.... So I bought a .30-30 and set about killing the hell out of the local deer.
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Long ago when I was a kid my uncle the gun smith made an antelope rifle for himself in .264 WM. Nobody (outside the immediate family) could figure out why since the cartridge was obsolete even way back then. (Franny had heart problems and couln't walk far.) And man, he would of had fun with today's slower powders.
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I don 't know, with the new powders available it must move it into a new category these days.
The reason I no longer carry my 25/06 is because of the need for a longer barrel and I don't do that anymore. I suspect the .264 is the same. 22" is maximum for me .
If I wanted a 6.5 , I would choose the .264 Win overall the others, we have killed bill elk side by side with the .270 and is equivalent, imo.Good chambering.
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