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I’m struggling between the 22-250 AI and 22 CM. I don’t know how much difference there really is...


Can't tell you about the Creedmore, never used one. But the 22-250AI since about '90 and wore out a few barrels. I like the cartridge. Best accuracy and vel. in my std. 22-250 is a 50 with 37.5 / RL15 doing 3926. Very good load. Several 22-250AI's all love about 40-41gr. RL15. .Favorite is the 25" Walther....fireforrms at 4113 with 38.5gr./ RL15, with formed brass and 39.9gr it's doing about 4200 - almost 300 fps. more than that std 22-250. ( I'll add that fireforming load is just as accurate as formed and completely usable in the field - I've formed about 6,000 AI cases of different chamberings on chucks and pd's) The 28" Hart is at 4246 with 41.2gr. A 25" Winchester barrel likes 39.8gr for 4079fps is best......40.2gr does 4126 but less acccurate. Chambers are all comparable with no freebore, but my reamer has .255" nk while 2 of these barrels are tight neck. Win. 760 works well in that case but it takes more of it and velocity/accuracy isn't up to RL15. Best powder I've found is Reloder 15, the stuff just works great. Brass is the very tough and no longer available PMC. The 22-250AI has always worked real well for me and I've no reason to start messing with another one. But if you're starting from scratch and 22CM brass is readily available, and the stuff is good, I'd say it's a tossup and go with either.

Good information and thanks for sharing your experience. Your advice is solid.


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Originally Posted by Bugger
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There's some logic. crazy



After 50+ years of reloading, I don't fall head over heals for a name. Some people think that the name Creedmoor on their gun will kill their elk at 1,000 yards. I read thread on another forum comparing the 6.5 Creedmoor to the 300 Win Mag. Evidently some people think they're about the same.



I enjoy a DUMB Fhuqk trying for 50yrs and failing sooooooo fhuqking miserably. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Though in fairness..."heals" is a very "tricky" word. Hint. LAUGHING!

I shoot a "smidge" of 300 Winny and Kreedmire to boot,PLEASE flap your gums some more and cite some load "particulars",as per your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results".

Dare ya.

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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
I’m struggling between the 22-250 AI and 22 CM. I don’t know how much difference there really is...


Can't tell you about the Creedmore, never used one. But the 22-250AI since about '90 and wore out a few barrels. I like the cartridge. Best accuracy and vel. in my std. 22-250 is a 50 with 37.5 / RL15 doing 3926. Very good load. Several 22-250AI's all love about 40-41gr. RL15. .Favorite is the 25" Walther....fireforrms at 4113 with 38.5gr./ RL15, with formed brass and 39.9gr it's doing about 4200 - almost 300 fps. more than that std 22-250. ( I'll add that fireforming load is just as accurate as formed and completely usable in the field - I've formed about 6,000 AI cases of different chamberings on chucks and pd's) The 28" Hart is at 4246 with 41.2gr. A 25" Winchester barrel likes 39.8gr for 4079fps is best......40.2gr does 4126 but less acccurate. Chambers are all comparable with no freebore, but my reamer has .255" nk while 2 of these barrels are tight neck. Win. 760 works well in that case but it takes more of it and velocity/accuracy isn't up to RL15. Best powder I've found is Reloder 15, the stuff just works great. Brass is the very tough and no longer available PMC. The 22-250AI has always worked real well for me and I've no reason to start messing with another one. But if you're starting from scratch and 22CM brass is readily available, and the stuff is good, I'd say it's a tossup and go with either.

Good information and thanks for sharing your experience. Your advice is solid.



She is a CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint.

The transformation from 22-250 SALAMI to Aye-Eye sure as fhuqk do NOT "grant" 300fps,nor anything close. Hint.

I just "happen" to shoot a "few" rifles chambered same.

HINT................(grin)


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Let’s recall a little history,
The 250 Savage with its 3,000 feet per second bullet kills faster than lightning.
The 243 is far superior to the 257 Roberts in every way.
The 220 Swift kills faster than lightning.

Gun Scribes have been praising new cartridges for a century or more. If they didn’t they wouldn’t get much support from the manufacturers. And people have to justify/brag about the wise money they spent on new cartridge/rifle.
One thread was started in another forum, “Which cartridge would be a better 1,000 yard elk cartridge, the 300 Win Mag or the 6.5 Creed?”

But maybe these cartridges are different because there’s such a rush to praise.

But there’s some in each generation,some have to piss on the electric fence.


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Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps and it's never been difficult to cypher,who shoots...and who don't.

I shoot a "smidge" of 300 Winny and Kreedmire to boot,PLEASE flap your gums some more and cite some load "particulars",as per your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results".

Dare ya.

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Originally Posted by Bugger
Let’s recall a little history,
The 250 Savage with its 3,000 feet per second bullet kills faster than lightning.
The 243 is far superior to the 257 Roberts in every way.
The 220 Swift kills faster than lightning.

Gun Scribes have been praising new cartridges for a century or more. If they didn’t they wouldn’t get much support from the manufacturers. And people have to justify/brag about the wise money they spent on new cartridge/rifle.
One thread was started in another forum, “Which cartridge would be a better 1,000 yard elk cartridge, the 300 Win Mag or the 6.5 Creed?”

But maybe these cartridges are different because there’s such a rush to praise.

But there’s some in each generation,some have to piss on the electric fence.

Yeah I like that. And btw thank you for your service.

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STUPIDITY ain't a "service",but rather a plight.

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I'd go 22-250 or 22-250 AI only because I have a bunch of brass from my previous rifle. If I didn't have all the brass I'd look at the CM and compare dies and brass.

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If buying brass keeps you outta the game,you sure as fhuqk ain't in the game.

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It's as simple as already having the supplies to shoot. Most would understand that. I'd rather be out shooting than going out buying brass and supplies. I'll be out soon shooting rats when the weather clears up. Some are just coming out after having their babies. When the weather finally clears will be in the thick of it.

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brass and bullets ,i stock`d up heavy just because of the liberal movement,but i still shoot plenty i have my own state legal private rifle range and permanent heated shooting house with cement benches.i decided years ago i know longer wanted to deal with or help some of these people at a public range anymore and worry about my safety with these type of people using guns.i also agree with Stick the bullet is more important than the head stamp always.


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"Soon" is VERY "compelling". The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination.

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Originally Posted by GoForBroke
It's as simple as already having the supplies to shoot. Most would understand that. I'd rather be out shooting than going out buying brass and supplies. I'll be out soon shooting rats when the weather clears up. Some are just coming out after having their babies. When the weather finally clears will be in the thick of it.


Potguts are out now when it's not snowing. It'll clear, then another front comes in.

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Originally Posted by GoForBroke
I'd go 22-250 or 22-250 AI only because I have a bunch of brass from my previous rifle. If I didn't have all the brass I'd look at the CM and compare dies and brass.


That's what 223 AI fans always say...

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I only have (13) 223AI's and I'm fairly certain,that a .378" Donor...differs from a .473".

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I'm fairly certain brass is either a universal gift or it needs purchased, no matter the boltface.

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I've yet to gun a centerfire,that didn't require it.

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No [bleep], but most gunning 223 AI's aren't chambering for it to BUY brass...

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Picking schit with the chickens,ain't my gig.

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It ain't required, either.

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