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Ive had a couple of g20s,a g29,and presently a kimber custom ii 10mm.
The g20 is a very good gun, but to me the grip is way to big. The g29 is a cool gun but with the short barrel you loose velocity.
My current 10mm is the kimber. Im really liking it. They have a special going on now on gunbroker for these. Mine was $645 shipped new
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I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass.
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I would consider a 1911 with a 460 Rowland Clark conversion if I was concerned about "big brown inland growlies". A 230 grain flat nose hard cast lead bullet at 1200 fps is approaching 44 mag territory.
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Keep the XDm 5.25 in mind. THIS!
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The XDM 5.25 and the Ruger stainless 1911 full-size both seem like good options for the money. $650-800.
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I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF
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I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea?
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I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea? It's my first. Still getting used to it. DF
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I am thinking the 20 does not come with the MOS cut?
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I am thinking the 20 does not come with the MOS cut? I wrote G-20, think this one is a G-40. It has the MOS cutout. Senior moment? DF
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I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea? It's my first. Still getting used to it. DF Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
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I would consider a 1911 with a 460 Rowland Clark conversion if I was concerned about "big brown inland growlies". A 230 grain flat nose hard cast lead bullet at 1200 fps is approaching 44 mag territory. I have one, and 1150+ fps with a 255 grain LBT LFN is done at reasonably low pressure and recoil. 1200 is doable, but recoil is starting to slow you down. I believe meplat is 83% and BHn is 22. It will penetrate. Feeds reliably in my pistol. Montana Bullet works LFN GC:
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Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF
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Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF Caution - It'll physically fit, but if it was a G20sf barrel it probably has the gen 3 guide rod cut, which is smaller than what the G40 needs. The difference is just a radius cut in front of the locking lugs and is the spot where the guide rod sits; the head of gen 4 guide rods is bigger than the gen 3 guide rods. Because of that, gen 4 barrels are reverse compatible with gen 3 guns, but not the other way around. You can cause some problems using that gen 3 barrel in a gen 4. However, if you're pretty handy with tools or know a local friendly machinist, enlarging that radius is possible.
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Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
If not, you can sell it to me.
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Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF Caution - It'll physically fit, but if it was a G20sf barrel it probably has the gen 3 guide rod cut, which is smaller than what the G40 needs. The difference is just a radius cut in front of the locking lugs and is the spot where the guide rod sits; the head of gen 4 guide rods is bigger than the gen 3 guide rods. Because of that, gen 4 barrels are reverse compatible with gen 3 guns, but not the other way around. You can cause some problems using that gen 3 barrel in a gen 4. However, if you're pretty handy with tools or know a local friendly machinist, enlarging that radius is possible. Yondering, Good info there, I probably ought to check with KKM before I try the swap. I love the barrel, it turned that G20 of mine into a hunting machine. I was very impressed with the accuracy-from slow factory 'target' loads all the way to hot Buffalo Bore and Underwood stuff.
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Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎
If not, you can sell it to me. It is the only aftermarket barrel I have ever tried in my Glocks, and it did quite well. In fact, I'm sort of kicking myself for ever selling that Gen3 G20-it was a great 'host'.
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There’s a lot more 10mm options today than there was 5 years ago and that’s a good thing. I’ve owned delta elites, Kimber 1911s, and glocks. They all functioned well. I’m really wanting to try an xdm.
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I wonder about the xdm myself, wish there were more reviews on the gun and its performance. I would want to disable the grip safety as well, foolish idea in my opinion.
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The ultimate 10mm in my opinion. EAA WITNESS 15 shot. Great looks very very accurate and looks great I love mine.
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