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I bought a new 10rnd ASC steel mag recently for hunting use and it had 2 misfeeds the other day in my R25 GII. I’m going to clean it well, inspect the follower for burrs, and try again. Life’s too short for junky mags....

JPro, how accurate is your rifle? I'm talking black rifle challenge accuracy? I am curious, because I was seriously thinking about buying a Remington R25 like yours. I've heard they shoot well. I also hear you on the mags. What would be the best option for guys wanting a 5 round mag for hunting? That could be good info to pass along to the OP... As for me, I only use Armalite mags in mine....

I heard great things about the savage msr, buddy has two
One in 6.5 and 308 win. Im looking at going with a larue build. Upper completed by them and build the lower using larue lower.

That should be sweet as hell and very accurate. They have some good stuff...

My rifle, being a sample of one, shot 3/4MOA for the last two 3-shot groups I shot with it, one at 100yds and one at 200yds, both shooting W-W Deer Season XP ammo. With that ammo being so cheap, I'm not worried about handloading for it right now. The rifle probably only has 50 rounds through it so far. Some 155 Scenar handloads I put through it to first get it on paper and break it in shot MOA or slightly better. I also tried some W-W Copper Impact ammo, thinking it might be good for hogs (and cheap for a TTSX clone), but they were closer to 1.5-2 MOA. Two bolt guns didn't like them either though, so it appears to not be a very forgiving factory load. So the R-25 seems to shoot about as well as I'd expect from a bedded 700 factory sporter. I did swap my trigger for a Rock River Varmint model ($89). The factory trigger was clean, but around 5lbs, so I pulled the RR trigger from by general purpose AR15 and swapped them around.

For magazines, the 4rnd mag that came with the gun has always worked perfectly.

Cool, thanks JPro... I shot my AR10 today and am seriously thinking about turning it into a 6.5 creedmoor....... Threads like these are interesing. I'm wondering what direction the OP is going to go on his build?

What barrel length would you guys recommend for a 6.5 CM? I wanted an 18 or 20 inch at most, than put a ultra 7 tbac suppressor on it?

BSA,
I’ll get around to the 6.5 AR10. I actually won the barrel from X Caliber during their Easter website hunt.
I was (am) in the middle of putting together a 6.5 Grendel “pistol” upper for my kids to hunt suppressed with so all my fun money is tapped out.

They enjoy the low recoil associated with ARs and the simple functionality. I’ll like the extra horse power the Creedmoor will offer. We’re still a few years away from them chasing elk so we’ll get by with the Grendel for deer this fall.

Cool. Let us know when you start building that creed. I shot mine again today... Bolt action though, of course, until I get a barrel for my AR10....

Are you kidding? They were a quantum leap over the 168SMK's for 1K. The 175SMK's gave the Marines M852 accuracy, but the range of M118 out of the M40A1's. You have to remember this was in the early 90's and yes, technology and BC's have improved since then. I visited WTBN during the time M118LR was being fielded. They were getting impressive results out to 1K. Shortly after the adoption of 118LR, some squids won some 1K stuff at Perrry with it (the Marines were forbidden from using their own ammo out of their M14's).

Apologies to the OP...I see that you're talking 6.5 Creed.

Well, yes they were. But as good as the 175SMK is/was, the Jug is even better. You can actually stay supersonic @ 1,000 with a Jug at a sane pressure level. I would NEVER take a 175SMK in a 308 to a LR match now that the Jugs are out.

Yes the Juggies are amazing. I played with JBM a bit, and there's nothing close for wind. Not the 178 A-Max, Not the 175 VLD. FWIW, the beauty of the 175 was that you could keep it supersonic out of an M14 (or M40A1) without running G4 pressures. Have you shot the 185's out of a 20" 308? ie M14 or M110?

So if you had a do-over, what would you change? I ask because I've been pondering that exact rifle for some time as my next hunting rifle. Neither it or the DPMS Hunter seem to get much coverage/reviews, so finding someone with real experience like you is a plus

No, but I shot the 175 SMKs out of an M110 and went away with my tail between my legs.

I still hear echos of "You should have tried Jugs".

The 168 SMK is a great 300 yard bullet and the 175 SMK is a great 600 yard bullet.

dla,

I can't really think of anything I'd want to change, other than that trigger swap and a good 10rnd magazine. The rifle fits me, and I like the furniture that comes on it. LOP is right, cheekweld is right, the forend is slim and stiff, and nothing wiggles. There have been no issues except some feed problems when I introduced the ASC magazine.

Here's my post from when I first bought the rifle:

R-25 GII Impressions

Shooting it since that first range session has revealed sub-MOA to be pretty typical for 3-shot groups at 100 and 200yds. I've still got some other handloads I assembled for initial testing but never got past the W-W factory stuff when I found it shot. I'll shoot them too sometime.

I've been pleased with the purchase so far, and while it is not an inexpensive rifle, I'd buy it again if looking for an autoloader for hunting. It's not a big chunk of a rifle like some AR10 models, and a 20" AR is still fairly compact, about like a 20" bolt gun, without being blasty like the 16" AR carbines.

I'm assuming most mags work. I'm gonna need 5 round magazines in my state for Elk hunting.
I like AR's and I want my next hunting rifle to be a DPMS Gen 2 derivative - the Remington is more my liking. Thanks for the information!

You bet. I'm going to look at PMAGs next.

Where are you guys getting the jugs? I loaded up some 178 ELDM the other day and am very unimpressed with the 2400 fps i was getting.

Id still like to know how that rifle shoots in the black rifle challenge here. 3 shot groups arent really a good indicator of how "accurate" a rifle truly is.... mine shoots sub 1/2 moa 3 shot groups with the load it likes. Hell, it even shoots sub 3/4 moa 5 shot groups out to 450 yards with the 168 Hornady match bullets. But i straight up call it an honest 1.6 moa rifle.

Try Bruno's...but don't let him nick you on the shipping!