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I've used Hornady 195gr or Nosler 200gr AccuBonds for some years now in both my 8X57 Husqvarnas and my Kimber MT 325 and had good results from either.
In my 8X57 I usually load 51gr IMR 4350 and the Nosler AB. It would be a great elk-whacker. I DON'T RECOMMEND ANY LOADS! Work yours up safely.
IMR 4064 is also a great powder for the 8X57, IMO. I'm sure some of the newer powders are better, but I'm well stocked with the old standards.
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Have you used the 8mm BT on elk? What were the results?
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Magnum Bob, where did you find them? I tried to get some a few years back and they were not available. I talked to someone at Midway and they told me Remington had quit selling them. So I was under the impression that it was nation wide.
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I liked my old 8x57! Looking at my old reloading notes, I use very similar loading data for mine. Killed deer, coyotes and jack rabbits with it out of an old German Mauser. Then I got to reading all the gun magazine articles about how great the 8-06 was and had it rechambered. That's a great gun too, but now, I kind of wish I had left it as an 8x57. Fads come and go, got to be careful what you do.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost....
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What did you use to cut a bullet in half?
Did you cut a FTX and take a picture?
As in are they different than an SST?
Thanks!
I also agree with mathman if you only plan on a 200 yard shot a 200 grain bullet would be a logical choice!
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szihn, I got them from 1 st stop gun in RC SD. I'll check and see if they have anymore or you might call them 605 341-5211. I believe they got them thru BH Shooter Supply wholesaler here locally. I checked and the BHS chat guy says they were discontinued. Call the number.MB
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Angus1895, I use a 32 TPI hack saw, but the Trick is how I hold them. I drill and ream a piece of steel at just over bullet diameter. As an example for the 8MM bullet I make a hole of .325" in the steel. It has to hold about 2/3 of the bullet. I then split the side of the steel with the saw so if I clamp it in a vice it collapses and gets smaller. So, I insert the bullet to about 2/3 deep in the hole and then clamp the steel in my vice. That holds the bullet tight and I slit the bullet down to the steel. I release the bullet and turn it so the other side it up, and I can see the saw slot. I saw again from the other direction to that slot. Drag the bullet across a file to clean off the saw tooth marks and you can see the thickness of both core and jacket.
I have sectioned a lot of bullets including the FTX made for the 30-30 (140 grain) The FTX and the GMX are made very similarly but the FTX cavity is wider for the somewhat lower velocities it's made to expand at. I loaded some of those in my 300 savage M99. My idea was to have better expansion at longer range for antelope hunting. I shoot a 150 grain Remington Core-Lokt zeroed at 200 yards and that is just fine for any deer of antelope, but I started to wonder how the lighter and more aerodynamic 140 gr wold do. I am going to shoot some at paper soon. The savage shoots a lot better then it should with the 150s, so I don't think I'll change, but if the 140 FTX do as well they may be a bit better bullet to use on elk because they will retain 95% of more of their weight, where the 150s I use usually loos about 1/3. Testing is not done yet.
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Have you used the 8mm BT on elk? What were the results?
Frangible bullets like the ballistic tip are probably not the best bet for elk.
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Ballistic Tips are not all frangible.
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I've used Hornady 195gr or Nosler 200gr AccuBonds for some years now in both my 8X57 Husqvarnas and my Kimber MT 325 and had good results from either.
In my 8X57 I usually load 51gr IMR 4350 and the Nosler AB. It would be a great elk-whacker. I DON'T RECOMMEND ANY LOADS! Work yours up safely.
IMR 4064 is also a great powder for the 8X57, IMO. I'm sure some of the newer powders are better, but I'm well stocked with the old standards. I normally use 4064 or RL-15 for 150s, CFE223 for 170s and 175s, and H4895 for the heavy stuff. I'm going to try 4064, 4350, N150 and RL-17 to try and find the best balance of accuracy and velocity. (edit to add): I just got off the phone with my outfitter. I need to be prepared to shoot up to 400 yards. He says that is uncommon, but possible. So, I may have to take my 8x68s instead.
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I shot my first elk with a borrowed 8X57. The ammo was borrowed too, I don’t remember what it was. 50 yards broadside in the lungs with iron sights, most ammo would work for that.
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The Nosler 180 E-Tip might be worth a try as well.
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There is nothing wrong with the 8x57 if you can tolerate the rainbow trajectory. In timber it won’t matter I suppose. Happy Trails
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WAM,
The old 8x57 shoots without the "rainbow trajectory" IF it's loaded to the usual European specs. = American ammo countries DOWNLOAD the 8x57 for use in weaker rifles & for those DIMWITS who CAN'T/WON'T READ THE INFORMATION on what they buy..
Otoh, SOME European companies load the old 8x57mm to ABOVE the usual USA factory .30-06 specs.
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Tex, My trajectory assumption was from previously looking at American made ammo specs. Cheers,, WAM
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I remember wanting to make my 8x57 ackley improved.
My uncle was laffin.....
Don't screw with he said, them Germans knew what they were doing........
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The Nosler 180 E-Tip might be worth a try as well. Meh. I'm not a fan of mono metals in standard cartridges. I feel like the velocity window is too small on cartridges like the 8mm. It really isn't a speed demon. I might try the 160 Barnes, but I doubt it.
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WAM,
IF European spec ammo wasn't commonly available in the USA, I would have agreed with you.
yours, tex
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Do they make a 180 grain Partition? I load the 175 Pro Hunter. But I don't hunt elk with it. If I ever do get to go elk hunting it won't be with my 8x57. I mean I believe with the right bullet it would do the job, but I have too many rifles that are better suited for elk. However, if I ever do hunt elk with it I'll load a Partition or something.
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