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Seriously, why is it that the deaths of six million people are pretty much the focus of every discussion and every newly published material about a war where AT LEAST 55 million CIVILIANS died?
Hell, in the US we don’t even talk about India in the war very much and they lost around 3 million people in it. China lost 25 or 30 million. You will rarely see anything about those countries unless it is about the Rape of Nanking. The war in India and China would be the largest conflict in human history with the most casualties by itself and yet, we focus on six million people almost exclusively.
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Well I posted a documentary about strategic bombing also.
Did you watch that?
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Well I posted a documentary about strategic bombing also.
Did you watch that?
No, but I intend to as that I used to be an aviation buff as a kid.
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Well I posted a documentary about strategic bombing also.
Did you watch that?
No, but I intend to as that I used to be an aviation buff as a kid. But mostly for entertainment value. Documentaries are a very poor source of historical accuracy.
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WWII was a product of the screwjob foisted on Germany at Versailles. Part of that was the whole Polish issue, specifically the Danzig Corridor which was an abomination. The allies were too stupid to realize Germans aren't like the french and even refused to help the Weimar Republic. The reparations were so egregious, they were to last into the 1980s..
The result was Hitler was able to capture a justified German nationalism and revenge for Versailles. All the frogs did was build that ridiculous Maginot line (proving once again their FEAR of the Germans that lasts to this day) and let Hitler take back the Rhineland, Austria and adding insult to cowardice and along with the Brits, let them have the Sudetenland. The jews were just a convenient (and to a certain extent justifiable) scapegoat to blame.
It's fun to argue "what ifs", all colored by our biases. Some say had Hitler just gone east WWII would not have happened. Maybe so, but anybody with a modicum of intelligence (thus leaving some here out of the discussion) think that we (US, the Brits, French, etc) could have lived in a world with an ever more powerful Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, well you're just plain stupid. And yes in the end, we just swapped the Nazis for the Soviets and spent another fifty years fighting the Cold War. But to say that Churchill WANTED war simply for personal glory, I find so insulting as to slug somebody in the face.
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What are you talking about? Which one?
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Ok, TRH, Bristoe and JoeBob be like:
1. Allies are the real aggressors. 2. Churchill is a meanie. 3. Hitler isn't such a bad guy, he's sexy and very articulate! 4. The Jews deserved everything they had comin to them, except it never really happened, cuz a terribly made video says so. 5. Germans were yodeling pacifists leading up to the war. 6. Only German civilians were targeted in the war. 7. Poland was really half German, half Russian anyway - treaties be damned!
That about right?
Why do you say I deny the Holocaust? I explicitly have said that believed it happened. Does it matter? You know what they say about feathers and flocks! Spoken like a real NAZI. You do know that defending Germans in WW2 is throwing a lot in the Nazi pot? I hope you also realize that Nazi's were socialists just like Commies are, they just keep changing their names when people figure out what lies behind the veil. I for one am smiling at the fact that they have fertilized the European and Russian farmlands during that war. I never quite understood the fascination some of you have for Nazi's and the erections you get for justifying their actions. Don't waste your time trying to find the post where I demonstrate any support for the ckocksuckers, there isn't one.
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WWII was a product of the screwjob foisted on Germany at Versailles. Part of that was the whole Polish issue, specifically the Danzig Corridor which was an abomination. The allies were too stupid to realize Germans aren't like the french and even refused to help the Weimar Republic. The reparations were so egregious, they were to last into the 1980s..
The result was Hitler was able to capture a justified German nationalism and revenge for Versailles. All the frogs did was build that ridiculous Maginot line (proving once again their FEAR of the Germans that lasts to this day) and let Hitler take back the Rhineland, Austria and adding insult to cowardice and along with the Brits, let them have the Sudetenland. The jews were just a convenient (and to a certain extent justifiable) scapegoat to blame.
It's fun to argue "what ifs", all colored by our biases. Some say had Hitler just gone east WWII would not have happened. Maybe so, but anybody with a modicum of intelligence (thus leaving some here out of the discussion) think that we (US, the Brits, French, etc) could have lived in a world with an ever more powerful Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, well you're just plain stupid. And yes in the end, we just swapped the Nazis for the Soviets and spent another fifty years fighting the Cold War. But to say that Churchill WANTED war simply for personal glory, I find so insulting as to slug somebody in the face. It’s really difficult to know the personal motivations of anyone about anything. But I will say that history has shown that politicians tend to confuse their own good and benefit with the good and the benefit of their countries on a regular basis. An altruistic politician is so rare as to be nonexistent in the pages of history.
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Ok, TRH, Bristoe and JoeBob be like:
1. Allies are the real aggressors. 2. Churchill is a meanie. 3. Hitler isn't such a bad guy, he's sexy and very articulate! 4. The Jews deserved everything they had comin to them, except it never really happened, cuz a terribly made video says so. 5. Germans were yodeling pacifists leading up to the war. 6. Only German civilians were targeted in the war. 7. Poland was really half German, half Russian anyway - treaties be damned!
That about right?
Why do you say I deny the Holocaust? I explicitly have said that believed it happened. Does it matter? You know what they say about feathers and flocks! Spoken like a real NAZI. You do know that defending Germans in WW2 is throwing a lot in the Nazi pot? I hope you also realize that Nazi's were socialists just like Commies are, they just keep changing their names when people figure out what lies behind the veil. I for one am smiling at the fact that they have fertilized the European and Russian farmlands during that war. I never quite understood the fascination some of you have for Nazi's and the erections you get for justifying their actions. Don't waste your time trying to find the post where I demonstrate any support for the ckocksuckers, there isn't one. So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
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Ok, TRH, Bristoe and JoeBob be like:
1. Allies are the real aggressors. 2. Churchill is a meanie. 3. Hitler isn't such a bad guy, he's sexy and very articulate! 4. The Jews deserved everything they had comin to them, except it never really happened, cuz a terribly made video says so. 5. Germans were yodeling pacifists leading up to the war. 6. Only German civilians were targeted in the war. 7. Poland was really half German, half Russian anyway - treaties be damned!
That about right?
The funniest thing is that they're arrogant about it. You have to be when your entire belief system is conspiracy theories stacked on conspiracy theories. What conspiracy theory do I believe in and have articulated in this thread? Never said you did.
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Seriously, why is it that the deaths of six million people are pretty much the focus of every discussion and every newly published material about a war where AT LEAST 55 million CIVILIANS died?
Hell, in the US we don’t even talk about India in the war very much and they lost around 3 million people in it. China lost 25 or 30 million. You will rarely see anything about those countries unless it is about the Rape of Nanking. The war in India and China would be the largest conflict in human history with the most casualties by itself and yet, we focus on six million people almost exclusively. Those six million people are far better at making movies than the rest. It doesn't matter, as this entire thread demonstrates people will read into WW2 and every other damn thing in history whatever it is they want to get out of it, despite what really may have happened.
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What are you talking about? Which one? Exactly.
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What are you talking about? Which one? Exactly. If you will tell me which one, I’ll tell you.
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So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
I think you know why.
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So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
I think you know why. Programming is a helluva thing.
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So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
You labeled me, incorrectly. Anyone can read into whatever they want in this country or wherever they are, I don't really care. But I don't have to listen to them or take anything they say at face value - at least for now. I have no vitriol. This thread started out with interesting material and questions to follow the OP and then a few turn it into a Jew hating, Nazi sympathizing schittshow. If you really believe the only material left to study about WW2 is limited to the holocaust, you're obviously willfully being ignorant. That is defined as stupidity. I believe it is the duty of those around such stupidity to kindly offer a rebuking or worse...been that way forever since Genesis. Shalom!
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So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
You labeled me, incorrectly. Anyone can read into whatever they want in this country or wherever they are, I don't really care. But I don't have to listen to them or take anything they say at face value - at least for now. I have no vitriol. This thread started out with interesting material and questions to follow the OP and then a few turn it into a Jew hating, Nazi sympathizing schittshow. If you really believe the only material left to study about WW2 is limited to the holocaust, you're obviously willfully being ignorant. That is defined as stupidity. I believe it is the duty of those around such stupidity to kindly offer a rebuking or worse...been that way forever since Genesis. Shalom! Sure you have vitriol because you can’t even accurately or honestly respond to the question. You have to throw up the straw man that I said that the only material left to study is limited to the Holocaust. I never said that. I said that increasingly the Holocaust dominates every single discussion of WW II, that many newly written works revolve around it, and that popular organs of accepted thought such as the History Channel increasingly would have you believe that the only reason for the war was because Hitler wished to kill Jews.
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What are you talking about? Which one? Exactly. If you will tell me which one, I’ll tell you. EINSATSGRUPPEN - The Nazi Death Squads
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So why is World War II different from practically every other war where people can rationally discuss the motivations and decisions of the various leaders on the various sides without being labeled all sorts of names. After all, most of us here were born after it happened and in another 50 years or so there will be very few alive who even knew a WW II veteran at some point in their lives. So why the vitriol?
There's vitriol surrounding every war. WWII has more than others because Germany documented so much of it, so well. There are loads of false information regarding the Holocaust and I do think it's important to educate your kids and others about those in accuracies. But you can do so without throwing a bunch of nonsense into the air and blathering like an idiot.
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