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Ok I'll bite, how about the Browning Hi Power?
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.
It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it.
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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.
It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it. ...and mankind had not advanced in intelligence enough to invent the 40 yet Seriously- 25 years ago I had an Argentine Hi Power, a half case of 115 grain Silvertip and a plague of Bluejays. That pistol shot well enough you could center them to about 30 paces and fill the air with feathers.
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The BHP is the only 9mm pistol a self respecting man ever needs.
It's chambered in 9mm because that's the way God and John Browning intended it. I am pretty sure JB has a chair next to God at the dinner table.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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as much as i love the improved version of the 1911, that being the model of 1935, ther is another. It's called the CZ75, which is what the hipower would have morphed into.
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Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown.
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Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown. Good info to point out, thanks! I believe STI's is $400 less. That's a decent amount of money but it's not huge when spending in this range. Not sure what the Springfield costs, but I am sure it's less. It's hard to get an Ed Brown or Wilson under 3K new .... It just depends on what one wants I guess
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Springfield and STI have also made scaled down 1911's for the 9x19. Not just shorter, but also narrower. And much less expensive than Wilson or Ed Brown. Good info to point out, thanks! I believe STI's is $400 less. That's a decent amount of money but it's not huge when spending in this range. Not sure what the Springfield costs, but I am sure it's less. It's hard to get an Ed Brown or Wilson under 3K new .... It just depends on what one wants I guess I think Springfield's is called the EMP, and is also available in .40
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I've got a Springfield Armory EMP-4
GREAT "smaller" 1911. It fits MY hands better than a full size 1911.
The 4" feels like a smaller scale Commander, and is my all time favorite 1911, and I've owned a bunch over the years.
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The EMP is also built around the .40 S&W, which is pretty cool.
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I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm.
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The more I look at the EMP4 9mm, the more I want one. It's like a Commander in miniature.
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I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm. Nope. The EMP4 9mm comes with three 10 round mags, so that's an 11 round capacity, exactly like a Glock 26.
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I don't understand the draw of a 9mm, commander sized 1911, even if slightly smaller. Weight is about the same as a lightweight Commander, 9mm holds only one more round than 45ACP and size, while smaller, is only slightly smaller. Not interested in a caliber war, but if I'm carrying only 9 rounds of bullets, I want them to be 45ACP instead of 9mm. Nope. The EMP4 9mm comes with three 10 round mags, so that's an 11 round capacity, exactly like a Glock 26. And I'd still rather have a 45acp with 8+1. If it was a 2011 9mm of similar size, weight, etc. with 15 or so rounds of 9mm, I'd feel different.
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Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.
I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.
I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though.
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Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.
I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.
I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though. Modern bullet technology didnt stop with 9mm bullets. All calibers gained from that improved technology.
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Personally, I might be wrong, I feel that modern bullet technology has made the 9mm more useful/reliable regarding penetration and expansion, through denim or bare gellatin, than it used to be.
I like federal HST's and everything I've watched and read has led me to believe they would work quite well.
I'm not one to quote caliber lethality statistics though. Modern bullet technology didnt stop with 9mm bullets. All calibers gained from that improved technology. I don't believe I said it did? It has certainly improved the 380 and other historically known "marginal" calibers...and yes it improved the 45 also. Bullets like the .308 130 TTSX sent at 3000fps+ are killing things that 25 years ago someone would've loaded a 165 or 180 to kill. I found this informative: https://loadoutroom.com/51037/the-reasons-why-fbi-went-to-back-to-9mm/Due to the elastic nature of most human tissue and the low velocity of handgun projectiles relative to rifle projectiles, it has long been established by medical professionals, experienced in evaluating gunshot wounds, that the damage along a wound path visible at autopsy or during surgery cannot be distinguished between the common handgun calibers used in law enforcement. That is to say an operating room surgeon or Medical Examiner cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by .35 to .45 caliber projectiles. Not interested in turning this into a caliber lethality thread though.
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The more I look at the EMP4 9mm, the more I want one. It's like a Commander in miniature. If you like that, then you should love the Wilson Compact series. Breakdown, spend some money. MM
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