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K.Kale Mausers, how good are they?
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They are fine. A bit of an oddball though. They have a large front receiver ring yet they are threaded for a small shank barrel. They also have a small extension over the barrel on the front ring that needs to be filed or turned off with a lathe. One of the cool things about a Turk is you can re-thread most barrels down to fit. My first Turk conversion used a re-purposed Ruger barrel. Remington barrels will also work, with re-threading of course. My last Turk with a E.R. Shaw 338-06 barrel.
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I understand that they will also take a Swede barrel.
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I understand that they will also take a Swede barrel. Yep any small ring Mauser barrel will screw on.... set headspace and you are good to go
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I’ve got one that had a Remington Classic .250 Savage barrel screwed on. Nothing fancy but it shoots bug holes.
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I bought 30 of them back when they were selling for $29.95 apiece for complete rifles. I built several custom rigs on those actions, and I've still got a few left in "as-issued" condition- - - - -desert sand and all! Jerry
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I bought one several years ago for $100 at a gun show. Mom n Pop gun shop. The action was smooth and slick. Sold it before I got to shoot it......
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I bought one in the early 2000's. I had the barrel recrowned, the rear sight removed, replaced the front sight with a 1/16" bead, and added a Williams FP sight to it. It is one of my favorite rifles to shoot, and will consistently keep 1.6" three shot groups at 100 yds. I hunted with it one year and took a buck on a hunt that was pretty satisfying, but at 9# 9 oz. and with a 28-1/4" barrel it just isn't a hunting rifle.
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There's this one I put together from somebody else's incomplete project for my brother in law. I never had it to the range other than testing it for proper function, but he seems to like it. Although he did have me swap out the repo sniper safety for an FN style one and the Russian scope for a Weaver Classic 4x38.
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I bought a 1903 Turkish Mauser at BIG5 for $54 out the door in ~2000. We have since bought dozens of Turkish Mausers for rebarreling. This ~ 2005 pic is my youngest brother showing a Turkish Mauser in 8x57 before sporterizing, and a Turkish Mauser after sporterizing in 223. Welding Turk 1903 bolts
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I remember seeing tables full of Turkish Mausers back in the 90s at gun shows priced for less than $100 and nobody payed much attention to them. Now I seldom see one or two a year
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If I remember correctly, there was a gun head here on the fire that would cut a Turkish Mauser action in half, remove an inch or so, weld it back together and build some pretty descent sporters.
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Turks are a bit odd at times. As was said above some of the Large Ring receivers have small ring threads. Another weird thing is that some Turks have the standard 12 TPI of most Mausers but some have 11-1/2 TPI.
Add to the mix that some "Turks" are German made and some are Turkish made, but some of the German made ones are all marked in the Turkish way, so unless you can read Arabic (I think) you can't read where it says "Made in Germany."
And I was told (by a man I believe knows what he is talking about) that some were also made in Czechoslovakia at BRNO, but I can't swear to the truth of that. If so I have no idea how to tell from the Turkish style marks if an action is Czech or not.
I have worked on some that seemed sloppy and rough, and I also have worked on a hand full that were VERY well done and as nice as any other Mauser I have had the pleasure to use.
I fear I only make the waters muddier here, but there is a lot to know and many questions to answer. I would love to learn a bit more too.
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I have handled hundreds of Mausers over the years from various countries and manufacturers, and have read a couple of books on Mausers that are very informative on the subject, but it still boggles the mind on the endless variations that were in circulation.
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I make .223-length Mausers by shortening the bolt, firing pin, magazine, floorplate and receiver of the old small ring Spanish 1893 rifles. It's a fun project, but extremely labor-intensive. One nice thing is that the 93's are "non-guns"- - - - -pre-1898 and not subject to all the BATFE-I-E-I-O bullscheize paperwork hoops to jump through! Jerry
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I remember seeing tables full of Turkish Mausers back in the 90s at gun shows priced for less than $100 and nobody payed much attention to them. Now I seldom see one or two a year When I was getting Turks for $54 out the door at BIG5 in 2001, Century was sending 4 Turks for $100 postage paid to C&R licence holders. That went on for a long time. When I got my first Turk in 2001, I stayed up all night taking it apart, marveling at the design and machining of a 98 Mauser made in Oberndorf. 3 of us got shops set up to rebarrel Turkish Mausers. Now 18 years later we are old and gray, but Turkish Mausers changed our lives. One guy is working on cars, another tractors, and I am making chisel handles today.
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Try this Type VI, Oberndorf intermediate action Action OAL: 8.750 Recvr screws, center to center: 7.835 Bolt body length: 6.165 Magazine length: 3.115 Receiver ring dia: 1.410, large ring Barrel shank dia: .980, small shank
I call this the Oberndorf intermediate action, as they are the only ones who produced it. Commonly encountered models include: 1903 Turk 1909 Peruvian 1935 Argentine Oberndorf Commercial
The 1903 Turk and the 1909 Peruvian also share some other qualities. They both have a very high clip bridge, and a long curved arm on the ejector box that puts pressure on a stripper clip loaded into the receiver, holding it in place. The 1935 Argentine and the Oberndorf commercial action do not have this. This type has a longer than normal receiver ring, and a longer than normal cocking piece, with a shorter than normal bolt body, hard to figure where the weight savings come in!
M38 Turk Action OAL: 8.750 Recvr screws, center to center: 7.835 Bolt body length: 6.370 Magazine length: 3.315 Recvr ring dia: 1.410 large ring Barrel shank dia: .980 small shank
The K. Kale marked Mausers are usually considered to be indigenously made by the Turks starting in the 1940s. Others are the ANSFA Ankara marked Mausers which typically were made for the Turks by the Germans or Czechs to the large ring small shank parameters. Many of the 1903 Turk mausers found now were modified to the M38 standard. These will usually be marked ANKARA and may have a small half circle cut out of the top of the front ring depending on overall action lenght.
The "M38" Turk is a bit of a misnomer as it seems to be our casual identifier for this group of actions and not an offical designation by the Turks. ANKARA M38 mausers may be found with partially ground off GEW, Czech and BRNO markings.
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And then there are the reworked GEW Mausers that are marked ATF. Arab Turkish Firearms Mausers have large ring threads and usually a short front ring
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I bought one here a few years ago and sporterized it for my son. It’s quite a nice rifle now; chambered to .257 Roberts in a Boyd’s Prairie Classic stock with their laser engraved checkering.
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Got an action being worked on now. Will become much like efw's picture there. They are generally pretty good to build on.
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