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Since you linked from Google, I'll link from Wikipedia which lists the 24 or so books. Most of those books I have and have study them. The information in all of them is very important to have so that the Bible (alleged Word of God) flows more like a river instead of the hops and skips required to make it from one puddle to another. Your first listed criteria is interesting for a couple of reasons. Who says someone is a prophet of God? The writer? The reader? God? And if God, who says that God said they were? But to use your criteria as a test model, then not only was Enoch a prophet, but he never tasted the death and was taken up into Heaven on God's command. I think I would be most interested in reading Enoch's book if I was concerned about Christianity. The other 4 criteria listed are ludicrous and quite obviously coming from some "religion" teaching. If I was trying to lead a person to Jesus and certainly wouldn't use any of the those 5 questions as proof as none of them can be proven as true criteria.
Let me suggest you read and study the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jasher, and the Gospel of Thomas, before believing any religious organizations criteria of what proves a book to be true and long before I would believe any thing [canonized] by any agenda driven man.
As I said before, I am a believer or in most Catholicism perception minds, a Christian, but this believer is done with the milk and now only interested in the meat, so where's the beef, to borrow a phrase. I know who I am and who my King and my Knight are. I know what my inheritance is. As I have told many, when I was around 7 years old I was told that Jesus loved me, I believed it then and still do. I DO NOT need to be told that again. But my, that seems to be as far into the knowledge of God many can go, therefore it is no wonder God's people keep being defeated ie tricked so easily by Lucifer.

After talking to people for about 5 min. who/what Jesus is I've gotten more, even better response when I go into the story of Phineas and the Priesthood bestowed upon him and his ancestors and how his actions saved Israel. Or at other times I talk to them about Genesis 6 and who the Nephilim are both in the Bible and History. Then there's the story of King Joseph in Egypt and his challis/cup with the 12 stones around it or even the star map Benjamin used. Or maybe even the story of Judith and how she had more courage than the men of Israel and saved them the Syrians. These are just a few of the historical stories told both in the "canonized" version and the other books Lucifer didn't want placed in the Bible.

Why's that? Maybe in our three plus one dimension universe that's the way it works, but the guy that made the universe cannot be constrained by it.

BTW, God always was, he didn't "come into existence." Don't try to apply the rules of your universe to outside of your universe.

We are getting off topic here with your concerns how about you start a new thread and I’ll make some reply’s.

I'll concede to stay off your thread, but I do not think it is getting off topic. It would appear to be going more than 2 questions deep. As you have shown the majority of the books are in the Old Testament, but because of the "new" age church teachings apathy is abound in house. I've heard it said many times that the problem with the US is they removed prayer from school and because of that our morals have deteriorated. It is true that they (whoever they is) have removed prayer from school, but morals have not dropped any more than before the removal, but what has changed is, there are to many pussy's in Christianity. The teachings/history of the old testament showed that men and women back then had balls and were not afraid to step to the bat. In modern today, no balls and anyone who some is demonized and chased off. So my point is this, if I was someone on the street and one of our new modern Christians came up to me and started the speel I so often hear lately concerning Jesus and Christianity I would walk away. Reading the debate between the so called non believers on here vs the believers makes me lend a hand to the nonbelievers. Trying to explain away why they should believe is laughable and hence my reasoning to bringing the teachings to life. All of History, Science, Mathematics, Biology, ect. are in the[ entire] collection of books, not just the portion man has decided is the truth. Seriously. Milk toast doesn't get it anymore. Wheres the beef.
I will not be starting another thread of debate concerning Christianity and will refrain from commenting on this one. I used to be where you are in my beliefs, not anymore. I stand on what I believe.

When the senses
Are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness,
Who can stand?
When the souls of the oppressed
Fight in the troubled air that rages,
Who can stand?
When the whirlwind of fury comes from the
Throne of God, when the frowns of his countenance
Drive the nations together,
Who can stand?
When Sin claps his broad wings over the battle,
And sails rejoicing in the flood of Death;
When souls are torn to everlasting fire,
And fiends of Hell rejoice upon the slain.
O who can stand?
O who hath caused this?
O who can answer at the throne of God?
The Kings and Nobles of the Land have done it!
Hear it not, Heaven, thy "MINISTERS" have done it!

A Hell of a lot.

None are righteous. No, not one.

That's why we need a Savior.

A few of the books that you mentioned are quoted in the Old Testament like the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher but they were not canonized. The Jews did not recognize those books as scripture or they would be there. The Jewish Bible (The Tanach) Is exactly the same as the old testament of our Holy Bible today. The Masoretic & and the Septuagint (Hebrew & Greek text) are identical to the Tanach. The books of our OT Bible and their Bible maybe different in number but it’s all the same as far as text goes. Our OT lists the major profits or the minor profits (forget which) individually and they group them together to form one book. The Jews were the receivers of ALL scripture (Via the Holy Spirit) with the exception of Luke. I am not going to waste my time trying to figure out why they didn’t include some of those books that you are claiming but the Hebrews were the horses mouth. They were there! The book of Enoch was apparently lost in the flood according to Wikipedia and I’m sure it’s a fantastic book since he is a man who walked with God.
Between the O T and the N T the meat therein will last you and I both a lifetime. I summit to you we’d never come to the end of that meat my brother! There is no need for me to search for Scripture elsewhere as I am perfectly satisfied with what’s there. The meat leads to sanctification and that’s where every one of those 66 books will lead you if you will follow them. They’ll transform a hardened heart into a heart of Love, Peace and Joy. The Old Testament points forward to Christ and the New Testament teaches us about Him.
Jesus Christ is the Bread of Life.

That is so not true. Books Mentioned in the Bible.

But have it your way.

There are too many contradictions in the bible and between religions for all of their claims and beliefs to be true.
If one set of beliefs is true the others must logically be wrong, or all of them can be wrong, but everything that is believed to be true cannot be true no matter how sincere or adamant the believer.

What do you think about this ?
https://youtu.be/6ahVF-UZrIc

I was agreeing with you that they are mentioned in scripture but that’s not the same as being equal with scripture.
What exactly is your argument that all 90 are equal?

Some mathematical truth but the rest is bullshit

I know I said I was not going to post anymore on this thread, but when you said , it pretty much says well a few then, 3 books maybe in just in the OT. Actually most of the "lost books" are mentioned in the Bible and The Book of Enoch is quoted not only by Jude, but by Jesus also.




You say that all the "meat" you need is in the 66 books and no more is needed and I say that is a false teaching and one that comes from a 501C3 church where Jesus is no longer the head. The State is the head and the church can twist it any way they like but that fact still remains and if the State is the head then the body is NOT the body of Christ no more. How can that happen? By destroying the church and the body with lack of knowledge. The whole Book is needed to complete the picture that God painted just as a whole book of mathematics is needed. You start leaving out the small pieces of the picture the picture is no longer complete, then pretty soon bigger pieces are left out with sweet sounding propaganda stuff like "well they (and who is they really) didn't canonize those books. Once you can leave pieces of the picture out the picture looks strange, incomplete so now you can add your own pieces to make it "look" complete, but is it the true picture painted by God? And, here we have Jesus and the apostles quoting the Book of Enoch but the "church" says that book doesn't fit in our arrangement, no need to read it. Well ok fine, then those scriptures quoted from Enoch have no true meaning and eveyone needs to stop quoting them as though they came from Jesus. For instance, .........the Father judgeth no man, but hath commited all judgment unto the son....naw, toss that one out..................for every one that hath forsaken........shall inherit everlasting life................naw, not important toss it out too..............and on and on and on.

So the real question is this..............when the Head, Jesus, comes back for the body, the congregation, what congregation will he find? The one that cut off the head of Christ in leu of a bribe/tax exempt from the State or a body that forsook the love of money for truth and refused the 501C3 exemption? Oh, just so you know, under the Constitution the Church is already tax exempt, so falling for Lucifers 501C3 control form is a Satanic trap and renders the church to no effect.
From my studies I find that if you forsake Christ as the head of the body, your prayers and rituals are cast away and He hears you not, so why is the church crying "Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas."

And just to clarify, I am not calling the "The Church" bad, but I am calling the institutionalized church bad which there are more of them the there are noninstututionalized churches. It is no wonder there is only the Elect left.

For those who don't know, the so called unimportant Book of Enoch was written for ".........but not for this generation, but for a distant generation that will come. " So he wrote his unimportant book to a generation that would see.............."to which he blessed the chosen and righteous who must be present on the day of distress, which is appointed, for the removal of all the wicked and impious. " If this is the "last days" then it is this generation that Enoch wrote his book to. I find that very important and evidently so did Jude when he stated........"And about these also Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones" (Jude 14).

Come on now if you’re going to quote me quote accurately

There seem to be a lot of questions as to why this-r-that is/isn't in the Bible. Here is a decent little video.
Even better than the video is a small book called "Where We Got the Bible... Our Debt to the Catholic Church" by Graham.

https://www.amazon.com/Where-Bible-Debt-Catholic-Church/dp/0895557967

I need to finish watching this Dre, but what I have seen so far has a lot of truth in it. For instance, ..........And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a "man" meet you, "bearing a pitcher of water"; follow him into the "house" where he entereth in.Luke 22:10 How many scriptures reference a "man" holding a pitcher of water? Only one. So here we have Aquarius referenced, but is this the only place in scripture? No.

There are many references in scripture about the constellations. The heavenly bodies, the sun moon and stars.
Just look in the book of Job.



Dre Do you believe the sun Is the son of God spoken of by the prophets?