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My experience dittos Sitka's. I've also cut up, skinned and/or boned out a lot of critters and though not in Sitka's league, most folks think I am fast at it. Fast in this context comes from many repetitions of coordinated hand movements, so you do them without concious thought any more. Those long established habits and patterns of hand movment can give you trouble if you change the shape of the tool in a major way.

I love the lines and looks of the Grohmans, but my hands trained on very different tools. I could learn caution now, but won't bother. Fortunately, I didn't buy one but used a couple that belong to my father-in-law. One animal, one knick and several close calls that would have been more than knicks, enough for me to pass. Intuitively it didn't feel right. Buy one and get used to it, which some folks here obviously have.

Well....I can testify in a pinch (no pun intended) that a Copenhagen can lid flattened with a rock will indeed gut and skin a buck........I'm not sure about the boning part though........

Casey

My experience is the exact opposite of your's Art and really can't begin to relate to what you're talking about. I find the Grohmann no.1 to be like a natural extension of my hand, but I'm not even remotely ham-fisted which might be the explantation...

Brad
As a sculptor with stuff in a number of museums I can assure you ham-fisted is the wrong tack... A few here might even attest to some of the things they have seen me do with knives.

Like I said early on if you use it enough to be very familiar with it there is no problem. Particularly true if starting early. Or if you are really slow with it.

Experience has shown me the hard way that experienced knife people do not do well with the knife when approaching it later in their cutting careers. Simply stating facts.
art

Art, my "ham fisted" comment wasn't directed at you, was just a general observation so you don't need to trot out a resume of your knife handling abilities... believe me, I'm probably at least or more handy with a knife than you. Tactile/hand/eye matters have been my life as a trained artist and craftsman hence my "ham-fisted" comment. That and a life of hunting, fishing and training in grandad's butcher shop/slaughter house.

"Facts"? You actually believe that your own opinion is a fact? I don't and my experience indicates otherwise. But then I'm not ham fisted...

Brad
Your claim of not directing your comment would flunk the "Reasonable Man Test."

Fact: Experienced users cut themselves with the knife in question.
Fact: Experienced users found the knife unsuitable for said reason.
Fact: I cut myself with said knife.
Fact: I found said knife unsuitable for said reason.
Fact: Never stated my opinion as fact.
art

Fact: You equate your opinion as fact.

Fact: You cite "experienced users" which is vague enough I'm tempted to totally discount it as real.

Fact: I don't equate my opinion or experience as fact.

Fact: I've used the no.1 for twenty years with absolutely none of the "problems" you claim.

Fact: I'm not ham fisted.

Bingo! That's the point. But I think you knew that already.

Exactly. I'm aware my opinion and experience are exactly that, and not the be all or end all nor the final answer on this knife design. Art is the reverse...

Fact: My experience is fact, so are scars.
Fact: Experiences of other skilled users is fact.
Fact: Arrogance has nothing to do with my experience as related.
Fact: Your feelers got bent because someone with a lot of experience disagreed with your choice.
Fact: I never called you ham-fisted, nor insinuated so in any way.
Fact: I am done with this thread.
art

Brad
Editing a post and not noting the edit is tacky.

Now I am done...
art

Wrong... what got me "bent" is the fact you're arrogant enough to believe your experience applies across the board as the final word on this knife design. It ain't.

Apparently, however, I should have intended the "ham fisted" comment for you...

[quote "ham fisted" [/quote]


I resemble that!

If it's utility you seek..look at the frosts knives hard to beat for sharp and only $10
http://www.ragweedforge.com/SwedishKnifeCatalog.html

About the Grohmann #1 belt knife ..........


Sitka Deer says:


Sitka Deer says:



So, ....... you really liked the knife , .... before you hated it?

Surely, you didn't have any safety issues with the knife before all those friends of yours cut themselves with it, or you wouldn't have told them how much you liked the knife, and then recommended that they try it. Right?

And, surely, you wouldn't have told your friends what a great knife the Grohmann is, if you hadn't used it, yourself. Right?

But, for some reason, after all of your friends cut themselves with the Grohmann (one after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other ....), you started cutting yourself with it, too!


Could it be contagious?



It takes a big man to admit to such atrocities.

You da man, Sitka Deer.

It's been said that "Necessity is the mother of Invention."

Here's a deluxe version of your invention, known far and wide as the "Hoodoo Ulu". I dig the red micarta handle, though it does raise the cost, substantially.

Wow, I've never received so many Personal Messages in one day!

And all of them are from the same Arty!

Walker
As stated repeatedly, I am done on this thread. Your inability to comprehend English is outside my realm of concern. Your insistence I respond here is fulfilled only inasmuch as I am stating I will not.
art

I have a couple Mora's that I'd never willingly part with. Fine, handy items.

Gents:

Was also in the commercial meat biz for a decade or two, maybe more... Before we smartened up, we boned our own cattle for grind and did about 10k a week. Was a PITA

I have seen a lot of injuries and lost a little blood myself. Not trying to hurt anyones feelers here but do get a big grin out of the fancy-ass stuff sold as making an expert out of non-boners. The Viagra approach

Reread Super Cubs post--excellent.

I loved those old Dexter Russel knifes SC, as the steel seemed perfect. Handles looked like crap didn't they?

Anybody can learn to use anything and arguing over what is better is moot. You get good at what you use, period. But that doesn't make it a recommendation. Some guys are just careful enough not to stick themselves because they think about what they are doing. They made lousey professional boners because they were slow...

On a mountain you have a lot going on and you don't want to stick yourself--even a small cut worth a few stitches sets you back.

FWIW the best blades for this stuff on on the short side. Also a long handle makes for a long knife. If you think about it, your chances for sticking your off-hand or your liver or that pesky leg artery are less with a shorter tool. That observation was made on a boning table BTW, not just a conjecture. Once a guy has a few months under his belt, I let them use anything they wanted, as to length, curved or straight, flex or stiff. You can bone a lot of meat in 1000 hours on the table...

So for general boning knife advice, a designated boning knife like the Forschner-Victorinox with a 5" curved stiff blade. (5" stiff boner is the technical term :)) I take along one of these with a half-assed makeshift shealth and also a Dexter Russell Skinner for hunts where I can bring in some gear. For keeping weight to a minimum on light backpack hunts I use ANY good quality lightweight folder up to 4" with a "normal" looking blade and carry an emergency spare.