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Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful jwall #13948765 07/04/19
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	ADDENDUM I killed 2 bucks last season. IF I'd taken the time to use binos, I wouldn't have gotten a shot PERIOD> Jerry jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

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Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13948777 07/04/19
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,780 SE Neb R rainierrifleco Campfire Tracker
rainierrifleco Campfire Tracker R Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,780 SE Neb	Shot my buck last season with a Lyman .2.5 mounted on a 30-06. If a guy is hunting brush and timber and doing off hand shooting then 4 x might even be too much...I remember those magazine articals when I was a kid pushing those high powered scopes hunting the west ...I bought into it full bore...I have since learned my lesson...

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful jwall #13949398 07/04/19
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215	Originally Posted by jwall Originally Posted by T_Inman [quote=jwall] Well..... TRY to find a 3 rd point on one side of this 6 pt, 178 lb. buck with 17 1/2" INSIDE spread WITH a fixed 4 or 6 power AT 300 PLUS yds. Jerry, do you carry binos? Just curious. Yes, 8 X 20........... not as effective and more bulk and weight to tote. That uses MORE time when you already have 12 X available. Just asking 'cause you mentioned that you looked at that buck through your 12X scope for several minutes before knowing it had a third point. That's enough time to get a spotting scope out and set it up, let alone raise binos. Probably more movement than you'd get away with, but time wise, with this buck it sounds like you'd of been fine with a good pair of binos.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13949400 07/04/19
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215	I haven't hunted the east since I was stationed in North Carolina, but in the thicker parts of the west I use binos as much as I do in the open country. A quality pair of 8X binos helps more than most think in the dark timber or even the thick repod. You'd probably think I was just getting a great look at trees 20 yards away if you saw me, but I often am focused past the closest screen of trees, and finding antler tips or ears twitching. Please don't take this the wrong way, but ditch the 8x20s and get some quality 8X42 or something of the like, put them in a quality bino harness and give them a try next season. I am sure there are times you won't get away with the movement it takes to use them and then raise your rifle, but I'll bet there's also times you could get away with that movement, if you're slow enough and the deer doesn't know you're there. I think if you got used to using them, they'll change how you hunt.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful T_Inman #13949518 07/04/19
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by T_Inman Just asking 'cause you mentioned that you looked at that buck through your 12X scope for several minutes before knowing it had a third point. That's enough time to get a spotting scope out and set it up, let alone raise binos. Probably more movement than you'd get away with, but time wise, with this buck it sounds like you'd of been fine with a good pair of binos. First: That was ONE of very few times I've had that kind of time. Second: Why would I opt to use 8 X 20 binos WHEN I had 12 X on the rifle ? Jerry jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

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Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13949562 07/04/19
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,215	Binos generally give more detail and resolution than a riflescope of equal quality, even if the scope has more magnification. Looking through both eyes vs one makes this difference even more pronounced. Maybe it just does to me, I dunno. Ditch the 8x20s. Get some good 8x42s, or something similar. Last edited by T_Inman; 07/04/19. Reason: Deleted unimportant info

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful jwall #13949589 07/04/19
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,088 Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter
Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,088	Originally Posted by jwall Originally Posted by T_Inman Just asking 'cause you mentioned that you looked at that buck through your 12X scope for several minutes before knowing it had a third point. That's enough time to get a spotting scope out and set it up, let alone raise binos. Probably more movement than you'd get away with, but time wise, with this buck it sounds like you'd of been fine with a good pair of binos. First: That was ONE of very few times I've had that kind of time. Second: Why would I opt to use 8 X 20 binos WHEN I had 12 X on the rifle ? Jerry Ringman's sock puppet. Or brother. Whichever.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13949611 07/04/19
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pete53 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,291 Northern USA	because my eyes don`t see as well anymore i use 10x42 binoculars and my Ruger #1 is a 257 Weatherby Mag. with a 4.5x14 Nightforce scope . when you don`t see well bigger is better and a low recoil rifle that will knock a decent buck down too helps,out to 500 - 600 yards and with a bi-pod. LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13949769 07/04/19
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,127 In the Swamps	6X fixed. I really prefer fixed power scopes. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful T_Inman #13949803 07/04/19
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jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Today is the 4th of July. Everyone has the FREEDOM to hunt with what they want. And I do too. Jerry EDIT >> DONE .... Tin Last edited by jwall; 07/04/19. jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

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Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful jwall #13950162 07/04/19
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GrimJim Campfire Regular G Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,443 NE PA	Originally Posted by jwall Today is the 4th of July. Everyone has the FREEDOM to hunt with what they want. And I do too. Jerry EDIT >> DONE .... Tin You most certainly do have that FREEDOM, a freedom that some would deny to us all.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13950190 07/04/19
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,633 QLD Australia.	The freedom to own firearms and hunt appears to be getting slowly eroded away.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful jwall #13950446 07/05/19
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JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,760	Originally Posted by jwall Today is the 4th of July. Everyone has the FREEDOM to hunt with what they want. And I do too. Jerry EDIT >> DONE .... Tin Yes sir. Everyone has different preferences. Hunt with what you prefer on the power you prefer and enjoy it. I would make the same recommendation as T_Inman on good bino's though. There's no downside to being able to see with both eyes in a pair of bino's with decent sized exit pupils. If you want to use the scope once you find game that's all good. Good bino's will help you find more game, with less movement, from a better viewing position (eye's and body), and without pointing a rifle at everything. I think you appreciate good glass in scopes. Regardless of how good the glass in a pair of 8x20's are, the ease of view with a quality 7/8/10x42 (or even 32) is a different ballgame.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13950735 07/05/19
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 629 United States B bman940 Campfire Regular
bman940 Campfire Regular B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 629 United States	I just posted this under another thread asking the same question. I love my Meopta MeoPro on my Browning BLR .308. Great glass and easy to get on target quickly and make an accurate shot. The MeoPro 4x42 has excellent FOV and light transmission, if you are in the market for fixed 6X, definitely take a look at this optic. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/13950724#Post13950724

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Mule Deer #13952658 07/05/19
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter
MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana	Originally Posted by Mule Deer I just went through the list of my cartridge rifles, and the break-down is this: 31% have fixed-power scopes, from 2.5x to 10x, with 4x most common and 6x next. 15% have "iron" sights, which even at my advanced age I still shoot game with now and then. The other 49% have variables, but about 2/3 are on what most people would consider varmint rifles. Many of the variables get set on the top magnification, from 7x to 10x, and never get changed. Partly this is because there are far more variable than fixed-power scopes available today, so it's a lot easier to buy a variable with the features you want, including reticle. Most of today's variables are also just as reliable (if not more so) than fixed scopes were back when I started using them on hunting rifles 50 years ago. One of the things I've learned over the decades is that magnification over 6x isn't a big handicap for most big game hunting, partly because field of view has improved in most scopes. What about the missing 5%? Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13952707 07/06/19
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska vapodog Campfire Tracker
vapodog Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska	I just added a vintage Redfeld 6X (that I had fully resurrected) to my CZ .22 rimfire rifle. It's about as good as one can get to the ideal scope for that gun.

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13952709 07/06/19
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell stevelyn Campfire Ranger
stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell	I have a Leupold FX-II 4x on my primary hunting rifle. I can't think of anything I could possibly gain by putting a variable on it for what I use it for. Z

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful stevelyn #13952911 07/06/19
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by stevelyn I have a Leupold FX-II 4x on my primary hunting rifle. I can't think of anything I could possibly gain by putting a variable on it * for what I use it for. And THAT is what matters. + 2 Jerry jwall- 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13952932 07/06/19
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,117 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna
Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,117 Banana Belt, Montana	MCH, The "missing 5%" is due to rifles that, for whatever reason, don't have scopes on 'em at the moment. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Are four and six power scopes still useful Desertranger #13955122 07/07/19
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,705 Northeast Louisiana S Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter
Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,705 Northeast Louisiana	No! You must have a scope with the objective lens bigger than a lard bucket!! Even birds know not to land downwind!

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