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Does anyone here REALLY care how other folks spend their money?

I sure don't.

Is there anyone who regularly participates on this site, other than Mule Deer, who is an opinion leader and just by his words, can change people's minds about a product or service?

None that I'm aware of.

Sorry, but MuleDeer ‘s posts do not influence my spending.

Well, this ones gone poopy.....

I don't think anyone here, including John, has the power to change a lot of minds. Dollars drive things.

A cynic would say Leupold doesn't care.

Someone with a hopeful view might say that Leupold came here to take a reading on the market share. Is 24 Hr Campfire representative of the scope buying public? I suppose the Leupold MBAs will add the comments from here to the info pile to see if a change is warranted.

When companies like Leupold become tone deaf to the customer and falls behind trends , then display arrogance that they know better than said customer base...... well they go away in time...
I know the rep said they aren't going anywhere..... they may not but the customer surely will.....

It's plain to see what Leupolds approach to these complaints is. This ain't a reality tv show where you have to tune in next week to see the exciting climax. It's right there in plain sight.

Only in Oregon.

That makes no sense.

Funny thing is Leupold seems to be trying to market more to the flatbrim crowd with their presentation. Suppose they figure the Fudds are already locked down....but they aren't helping themselves in that department either, by discontinuing gloss scopes, some of the fixed powers, and redesigning their scopes to look more tacticool than streamlined and classic.

Trying to fit in with the cool kids with products the cool kids don't want because the products don't work correctly, while losing out on the old timers by discontinuing the products they use, all from a site that looks like it was designed for a suburban house wife's cooking blog. Not sure what Leupold's deal is these days.

I think it is funny a three year employee “runs” service. It would have been more valuable to let a grizzled, gray haired “tech” address the Fire’s main concerns with tracking and dialing.

Marketing is very sophisticated and there is a lot of consumer data available to make marketing, product, and sales decisions with. I would suspect that 24HCF members account for a fraction of 1% of the scope buying universe and although negative aspects that have been pointed out to Leupold may be 100% valid, we are too small of a market share to drive change. Even 35 years ago, before the internet, Philip Morris had consumer data down to the neighborhood level that the marketing and sales people used to push different brands and styles of cigarettes. Marketing 101, incremental shelf space, dictates that you expand your brand options and push your competitors' products off the shelf or at least to a less desirable place on the shelf. Winston and Salem just didn't die, Marlboro killed them, metaphorically speaking of course.

I think that you're wrong about John's opinion not counting for much. One person's opinion can make a difference. In shooting sports, JOC made the 270 and Layne Simpson saved the 7mm-08.

I'm sure that Leupold has their share of bean counters on staff. I doubt 24 Hr Campfire accounts for much, but it's all part of the information gathering. Given the poor presentation made by Leupold, it seems that they don't believe 24 Hr Campfire has anything relevant to say. It didn't appear that they put the A Team on for their presentation.

WRT John, I am sure everyone here appreciates what he has to say, but I believe he has a greater influence on readers of the magazines where he's featured. That would be sheer number of Handloader readers for example, as opposed to the number of Campfire readers.

I agree. The Fudds are all older and won't be around at some point was my point .

The flat brimmers in these parts almost all run Vortex but that's another discussion entirely...

Greg’s a troll. Wtf. This place is retarded.

Greg you knew better than to make sense!! 🤣🤣😂😂

Maybe this has already been pointed out by someone else on another thread but it sounds like you’re upset that Leopold’s marketing isn’t catering specifically to you. I understand that you may be upset but this is a safe space and we are here for you, son.

Lmao. Don't be an Elmer....

That is quite the spread on the right. What choke are you using?

Agreed. Also, the flat brim hat wearing, man bun crowd doesn't have any money compared to those who they should be catering to. Anyone who is half way in touch with the hunting community is obviously absent from Leupold's organization, or they wouldn't have let those two clowns represent the company. It was way embarrassing.

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