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Originally Posted by battue
I see little reason to make generalizations about the whole, because of the few. However, differences in location and terrain, most definitely may make valid reasons for a different opinion on what works.

You easily make do with levers, iron sights and the .30/30. While all may also work out west, they are not the best option for obvious reasons.
All very true. I certainly don't need equipment that is capable of killing at 600 yards when there is virtually no chance of a shot at that distance where I hunt. I do however, resent the insinuation that I don't shoot enough or can't shoot well enough to know whether my scoped rifles are truly zeoed or retain zero. I am capable of shooting half MOA groups at 200 yards with my scoped rifles and regularly kill woodchucks at distances of 250-350 yards with them in the summer. In other words, my scoped rifles are quite well zeroed and I am well capable of determining that. I have virtually no need or use for any more precision than that here.

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Originally Posted by battue
MtBoomer,
Let me help you out here. The little red hen is talking to a cat, dog and a duck, about working with regards planting, growing, harvesting, taking to market, baking and finally eating wheat. The little red hen fable has no application to hunting optics, rifle scopes, Leupold, SWFA chickens or Texas.

I hope this helps in some way.

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MtBoomer,
Let me help you out here. The little red hen is talking to a cat, dog and a duck, about working with regards planting, growing, harvesting, taking to market, baking and finally eating wheat. The little red hen fable has no application to hunting optics, rifle scopes, Leupold, SWFA chickens or Texas.

I hope this helps in some way.

Bubba



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Little Red Hen meets axe then pot...I was sure this was the bedtime story ending. 😎


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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So if you use a Leupold you are a bubba? What do you consider a bubba to be?
I think it's anybody who uses any scope other than a NightForce or SWFA , doesn't twist turrets and lives/hunts East of the Mississippi. Only Western natives who hunt West of the Mississipi and twist turrets on their tactica; scopes can be truly skilled, knowledgeable hunters/riflemen.

It takes more skill to get up close anyway.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by battue
So if you use a Leupold you are a bubba? What do you consider a bubba to be?
I think it's anybody who uses any scope other than a NightForce or SWFA , doesn't twist turrets and lives/hunts East of the Mississippi. Only Western natives who hunt West of the Mississipi and twist turrets on their tactica; scopes can be truly skilled, knowledgeable hunters/riflemen.



I'd guess most here could care less how you hunt, what you use, etc. If you were remotely honest about it you'd realize it's what you say and more importantly how you say it that causes people to dismiss any and everything you say.


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Originally Posted by battue
So if you use a Leupold you are a bubba? What do you consider a bubba to be?
I think it's anybody who uses any scope other than a NightForce or SWFA , doesn't twist turrets and lives/hunts East of the Mississippi. Only Western natives who hunt West of the Mississipi and twist turrets on their tactica; scopes can be truly skilled, knowledgeable hunters/riflemen.



I'd guess most here could care less how you hunt, what you use, etc. If you were remotely honest about it you'd realize it's what you say and more importantly how you say it that causes people to dismiss any and everything you say.
You know, I'm a member on several other hunting/shooting websites. I don't say the things on those sites that I say here but those other sites do not have the condescending ass holes found here. In other words you tend to get what you give with me.

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Originally Posted by battue
MtBoomer,
Let me help you out here. The little red hen is talking to a cat, dog and a duck, about working with regards planting, growing, harvesting, taking to market, baking and finally eating wheat. The little red hen fable has no application to hunting optics, rifle scopes, Leupold, SWFA chickens or Texas.

I hope this helps in some way.

Bubba



Hilarious!


Little Red Hen meets axe then pot...I was sure this was the bedtime story ending. 😎

Raised by a bachelor logger father. Bedtime stories and fables weren't a significant part of it. Poor little 'Boomer... shocked


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Originally Posted by battue
So if you use a Leupold you are a bubba? What do you consider a bubba to be?
I think it's anybody who uses any scope other than a NightForce or SWFA , doesn't twist turrets and lives/hunts East of the Mississippi. Only Western natives who hunt West of the Mississipi and twist turrets on their tactica; scopes can be truly skilled, knowledgeable hunters/riflemen.



I'd guess most here could care less how you hunt, what you use, etc. If you were remotely honest about it you'd realize it's what you say and more importantly how you say it that causes people to dismiss any and everything you say.
You know, I'm a member on several other hunting/shooting websites. I don't say the things on those sites that I say here but those other sites do not have the condescending ass holes found here. In other words you tend to get what you give with me.


I’ll play the devil....First, I believe you can and do shoot a hunting rifle well. I’m also fairly certain you can run open sights just fine when your hunting grounds lean towards iron sights over scopes.

Now, here it comes...The BS meter. Without trying to impress me or inform me that I’m your latest morning stool sample...

Why do you try to downgrade the Western type of hunting or equipment enhancements that not only help to take game, but help to do it in a better and more humane way,,,,most of the time - user error does happen sometimes...

We all know the Fire can be a free4all in both wisdom and BS. But, I have noticed, on many threads, you want to project your area of hunting and your understanding of hunting gear to be either more difficult in comparison to the West or the equipment used by western hunting standards as unnecessary, overrated, and those who use them are idiots who can’t hunt very well...

My post history shows an understanding and appreciation that everyone outside of my area of experience may hunt with different tactics, styles and using gear I’m either not familiar with or wouldn’t own, not because it’s schit, but rather it wouldn’t be as helpful for my type of hunting.

I do enjoy educating members who like to put on their hero outfits pretending they know more about my western hunting environment from the comfort of their couch never seeing or hunting in it.

Last thing BH. I’m also sure you have killed table eats with your Tasco, Bushnell, Leupold’s??? And iron sights. But could you run the same gear in my western country and be successful on a yearly basis? Maybe...Possibly...Depending on what you were hunting - timber versus high mountains with steep and deep canyons.

If you lived where some of us do, I’m confident your rig and gear would change to reflect what would help you accomplish your goal of filling meat tags...It’s really that simple...😎


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I think the sights on Flaves rifle are far enough apart I may be able to see both of them. Where I've hunted for the last 20 years most people could get by fine with an open sighted 30-30. However I cant see both sights on a 30-30 even with a 24" barrel.

I think beaver 10 make some good points. I would like to go west and also far north to hunt. If I am ever able to do so I would do well to do as they that hunt there do if I want to be successful.


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OTC Roosevelt Bull hunting with Beaver10.

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The Leupold hat was worn as a joke.


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Originally Posted by kingston
OTC Roosevelt Bull hunting with Beaver10.

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The Leupold hat was worn as a joke.


Now you’re gonna scare BH....Don’t show him the rig you used. Big optics baffle the boy...Laffin 😎


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by battue
So if you use a Leupold you are a bubba? What do you consider a bubba to be?
I think it's anybody who uses any scope other than a NightForce or SWFA , doesn't twist turrets and lives/hunts East of the Mississippi. Only Western natives who hunt West of the Mississipi and twist turrets on their tactica; scopes can be truly skilled, knowledgeable hunters/riflemen.



I'd guess most here could care less how you hunt, what you use, etc. If you were remotely honest about it you'd realize it's what you say and more importantly how you say it that causes people to dismiss any and everything you say.
You know, I'm a member on several other hunting/shooting websites. I don't say the things on those sites that I say here but those other sites do not have the condescending ass holes found here. In other words you tend to get what you give with me.


I’ll play the devil....First, I believe you can and do shoot a hunting rifle well. I’m also fairly certain you can run open sights just fine when your hunting grounds lean towards iron sights over scopes.

Now, here it comes...The BS meter. Without trying to impress me or inform me that I’m your latest morning stool sample...

Why do you try to downgrade the Western type of hunting or equipment enhancements that not only help to take game, but help to do it in a better and more humane way,,,,most of the time - user error does happen sometimes...

We all know the Fire can be a free4all in both wisdom and BS. But, I have noticed, on many threads, you want to project your area of hunting and your understanding of hunting gear to be either more difficult in comparison to the West or the equipment used by western hunting standards as unnecessary, overrated, and those who use them are idiots who can’t hunt very well...

My post history shows an understanding and appreciation that everyone outside of my area of experience may hunt with different tactics, styles and using gear I’m either not familiar with or wouldn’t own, not because it’s schit, but rather it wouldn’t be as helpful for my type of hunting.

I do enjoy educating members who like to put on their hero outfits pretending they know more about my western hunting environment from the comfort of their couch never seeing or hunting in it.

Last thing BH. I’m also sure you have killed table eats with your Tasco, Bushnell, Leupold’s??? And iron sights. But could you run the same gear in my western country and be successful on a yearly basis? Maybe...Possibly...Depending on what you were hunting - timber versus high mountains with steep and deep canyons.

If you lived where some of us do, I’m confident your rig and gear would change to reflect what would help you accomplish your goal of filling meat tags...It’s really that simple...😎

You do make some good points there. I have been all over the West. Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Washington and Oregon. Never hunted there. It is alot different than here. I do own rifles I'd be confident I could consistently kill game with out to 350-400 yards. Don't know if I'd ever change to a "dialer" or not but I doubt it.

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My question was just trying to ferret more details from Youper. Since he hasn't experienced or noticed any issues, I'm curious about details like what model, age, rifle/chambering and whatnot. Does it get shot a lot, etc. Some feel that the older scopes are better, and that quality of production and materials went down. But others claim it's the design. Some probably feel it is both.

The three I've shot the most are: A 3-9x40 VX-II from 2005 on a .30-'06 for 2450 rounds, an M8 6x42 from the 90's on a .223 for 2096 rounds, and a FX-3 from 2007 or 2008 on a 8x57 for 1186 rounds.

Thanks Youper! Didn't think you were going to chime in on that. Might I indulge in one more question? What bullet weights do you mostly shoot in the .30-06 and 8x57?

The vast majority was 150 gr. with both rounds. I hunt with heavier bullets, but shoot lighter and cheaper bullets at the range.

If it matters both scopes are mounted with Leupold DD rings.

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Originally Posted by kingston
OTC Roosevelt Bull hunting with Beaver10.

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The Leupold hat was worn as a joke.


Kingston that is too cool.... congratulations, killing a Roosevelt in a non draw unit is a worthy challenge..... then again Beav knows his chit.... well done


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OTC Roosevelt Bull hunting with Beaver10.

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The Leupold hat was worn as a joke.


Kingston that is too cool.... congratulations, killing a Roosevelt in a non draw unit is a worthy challenge..... then again Beav knows his chit.... well done


I had the time of my life! Except for the part where a 100lbs. of it was on my back, I felt like a kid again!


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Yep and that 100lbs was just the first load....... them Adirondacks are tough mountains.... smile


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Thankfully, I’m not Beaver’s only friend and there were three others there to help! Between the five of us we got it out in one trip.


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