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No states don't have the right to just leave the union and start their own nation any time they don't agree with the status quo. That notion is just silly. The Civil War never should have happened but since it did we might as well quit trying to fight it. Speculating on what might have happened if the South had won makes as much sense as speculating what would have happened if Germany had won.

Florida looks like Mexico now.

umm, there aren't very many Mexicans in Florida.

I have 50 large industries as customers in Florida . Most employees are Mexican.

The rest are Floridiots.

UMM.............

wow, that's a very statistically precise answer....
HINT: you're still wrong...maybe...

meskins in florida

So, if you voluntarily get married, you don’t have the right to get a divorce? And even if you don’t have the right to a divorce, your souse has the right to go out, physically assault you, handcuff you, bring you home, and confine you to the house forever if you try to leave her?

Not at all about slavery eh?

How long has it been?

Jorge,

I could have used the term Hispanics......I did not expect the Mexican group lawyer to start correcting.

Yes, several states have more % wise . Texas, Ca., New Mex., Arizona and maybe another 1 or 2. I forget.

We have to deal with a lot of Hispanics in FL.

Yeah I am kinda wrong.

Meh...they all look the same anyway.....

We both were. I knew there were a lot of Central Americans there and of course Cubans, but I had no idea there were that many Mexicans. I know there are a lot up in North Carolina because of the tomato industry, but wow....

How intellectually vapid of you...

Oh for chrissakes!

Hahaha!

I would say that the construction industry is the biggest draw for Mexicans in this state. There is a massive migration of northeasterners moving here here, creating a LOT of construction related jobs. I miss the way my state used to be.

My dad used to call them the "paper bag colored people"...

Thats pretty good too!

Lotsa mexicans everywhere. My Mom sold her house to one in a small town in Iowa where they have become the majority.

Another thread about Florida.

LMAO.

Reconstruction hurt the South far worse than losing the Civil War did. And the feelings left from Reconstruction go far beyond the bayoneting of someone's goose.

A good example of that was the 1866 burning of the town of Brenham, TX. "Historical records indicate on the night of September 7, 1866 there was an altercation between the citizens of Brenham and several drunken Union soldiers. The soldiers were part of a Union company stationed in the town following the end of the Civil War. As a result of this confrontation, part of the town was burned; one month later the Union soldiers again set fire to the town, destroying an entire block of businesses." The previous quotes were taken from information concerning a book titled The Burning of Brenham by Sharon Brass.

This part of Texas was not the site of fighting during the Civil War but with Texas having fought on the Confederate side it came under Federal Reconstruction, The Freedman’s Bureau, and Federal Troop occupation. To this day many Texans do their best to ignore the existence of a Federal Government and the imposition of Sheridan’s Black troops was not well received by the people at the time.

According to my father, my grandfather and his brothers remembered the occupation and the effects of Reconstruction from their boyhood and it angered him far worse in his later years than losing the war did. Losing the war was a 50/50 gamble that everyone recognized. Reconstruction was revenge on the part of the Union that got fueled in part by Lincoln's assassination. If Lincoln had lived, Reconstruction as it was allowed to occur may not have happened.

Hung up and interested and fascinated with the times are two different things. I think I fall in the latter. I love history.

Sooner or later, the communist snowflakes are gonna figure out what Sherman did to the Injuns and want to tear down his statues. I won't like that either.

Animosity towards Yankees over the war.....I don't have any. I get annoyed when some get sanctimonious about slavery but that is a case by case basis. The Ted Cruz thing with General Forrest being the latest example that comes to mind......but I don't want to fight or kill him over it. My Granddaddy was born in 1903 and probably could have heard some first hand war stories and legends since Sherman did some burning in his home area. Never said much if any about it, and I don't think it was instilled in the family too much.....so I did not get it. Other families are different. When you objectively consider it, the Yankees were very conciliatory, especially for the times. Had Lincoln not been killed, things would have moved along better. How much we don't know. Some historians speculate he did not have long to live because he was sick. May have wound up with President Johnson anyway. Hating the descendants of Yankee soldiers makes about as much sense as blacks hating whites for slavery. None of us alive today were involved.

What Bristoe said is big. We got the Federal Govt of today out of that war. However, there is no guarantee it would have been different had the South won. Man tends to gravitate toward tyranny not freedom.

No states have the right to leave the Union? Lets analyze that real quick...

The is the United States Of America....United for a common good...

When that common good no longer fits a states "common good", the original framers figured that was that particular States Tough Luck? The STATE joins, its obligation to all the other states is perpetual?

Southern States felt the Union was no longer meeting or even recognizing their needs.. so they decided to end their contract with the "UNION" and form their own separate Nation.. for their "common good"....

Northern States didn't like that very much.. so they asserted Northern States 'rights' over Southern States "rights' by force..
essentially Invading " the South".. by massing and invading the state of Virginia from out of Washington DC....

they crossed Arlington County and Fairfax County.. but by the time they had invaded 30 miles into Prince William County VA, they got this rude awakening, because they were met at a creek called Bull Run, by armed forces of the State of Virginia...

and the invading troops, found themselves retreating back across the Potomac to DC having got their asses kicked....

that is kind of why at the time, in the south it was not referred to as the Civil War.. it was referred to as the War of Northern Aggression.....or lesser known in History, as being Called the Second War of Independence in the south and especially in the State of Virginia....

don't be another democRAT busy rewritting American History.. instead of looking at what REALLY happened...

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