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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Evolution is the way God did it.


According to Genesis, God assigned the job to nature. It says that God commanded that the waters and the earth bring forth all the living creatures, and they did. That's what science says happened, too.



That is not quite right on either account at least as I see it. The next verse in the narrative after the one you are sorta quoting clearly states that God created the critters and told them to multiply AFTER THEIR KIND. The words "after their kind" is repeated several times. You have already stated that you believe that leaves the door open for the evolution theory because "after millions of years" of a species breeding after its kind it can develop into another species. That is fine if you choose to believe that but it can't be proven. It also cannot be disproven.

Evolution is theory not science. Science is about what can be observed, tested and repeated. We can argue for months about the boiling point of water. I can say its 80 degrees. You can say its 212. Neither of us will know until we get a container of water, a thermometer, and a heat source. Then it will be proven to be 212 and not 80 no matter how many times the experiment is repeated. Case closed. That is science.

Conversely, no one has observed nor documented evolution. A metric crap ton of theory and conjecture and a few out right lies have been put out to sell and support it. The simple fact is that no one has ever seen life reproduce except after its kind. Closest thing I can think of that comes close to violating this principle is interspecies hybrids. Man can under controlled circumstances create these. We can breed horses and donkeys and get a mule which is a really neat animal but almost all of them are sterile. I think also a similar situation exists with lions and tigers. Actual science can explain why this happens.....IIRC these similar animals have different numbers of chromosomes and that is why their offspring is not able to reproduce. Hmmmmmm?

Anyway lets get down to the nitty gritty. What is my beef? Well first of all it does not threaten my faith in the least. If it is ever proven to my satisfaction and taken from theory to fact, the obvious fall back position is "that's the way God did it"......which is what most "rational free thinkers" who have a problem with the hurricane in a junkyard creating a shiny new 2018 F-150 aspect of it, or perhaps are afraid of going to hell resort to. Belief in an infinite supreme being gives one a lot of mental latitude. Big bang? No problem, the big banger did it. Life developing over "millions of years".....no problem, the big guy was just taking his time.

So what IS the problem. The problem is that I can't help but notice that the theory of evolution started about the same time very likely by the same group of 19th century intellectuals that thought Marxism was a great idea. They sold it with lies about a pig tooth and a monkey skull put together with glue. I was taught about Nebraska man and Piltdown man as a child in the public screwel system. I was a grown man before I learned that they were hoaxes which really pissed me off. These great "discoveries" were printed on the front pages of all the papers of their times and put in all the school books. When the truth was discovered, it may have been noised about in academia but the papers put it in a one paragraph retraction on section d3 by the classifieds, and NatGeo sure as heck didn't do a special about it like they did when it first came out. Exactly like "fake news" today. It does not matter. Regular rank and file people do not keep up with this crap. A generation of kids believe in evolution based on the lies they were taught, have abandoned faith, and are open to Marxism which was the goal in the first place.

The same playbook is continued. Every so often a :"scientist" or "archaeologist" will show up in the news with a bone he found somewhere. He will tell you what he believes about it and very likely draw some pictures of some kind of human like critter that no one has ever or will ever see and explain how it fits into the big picture. Thus the concept is propagated without any actual proof. More theory which serves the purpose of keeping the idea in people's mind.....that is presented as fact. Rank and file people will read the article, say ain't that neat and forget about it, but they will believe, in a superficial way, in evolution. In other words, the customer base is maintained by continued sales.

If these clowns left it in the realm of theory it would be one thing and I would say nary a thing. But they present it as fact and get real pissy about it if you ask questions. Those of you who think "evolution is how God did it"......go ahead and share that with one of them. They will mock and ridicule you, even though their theory is no more provable or scientific than the creation narrative or the ancient alien theory......Gus, that is your cue buddy! laugh
You MUST believe their narrative, or else you get the ridicule business which is straight out of the Alinsky playbook. The possibility of a supreme being is not allowed because that throws a big ole monkey wrench in the agenda which is acceptance of an all powerful state.

What I find fascinating is that 99 percent of the folks on this board hate a damn commie. Flat out to the point of taking up arms. You want to keep your guns most of all, but also your money, freedom and constitutional republic. Yet some of the most stalwart of you will kneel and take the sacrament of their religion which is evolution as fact. What is the goal of the commies? Destruction of the old order, the culture of Western Civilization by any means. Religion, specifically the Christian religion, WAS a big part of that. Evolution has been the big weapon they have used to destroy that part of it.

Long post I know but I just want to make the point that all skepticism of evolution is not based on solely "being an evangelical" that no one can talk to but in my case moreso the people who are selling it and how they are selling it.





This ^^^^^ Yup

That's quite a tangled knot of errors vis a vis evolution.


"The tangled knot" is definitely on your end wink

Nuff said smile

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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You don’t even understand the argument. Tarquin states it pretty well.

What you're not getting is that the math applied (no matter how rigorous) is irrelevant if the underlying facts to which the math is applied are, to even the slightest degree, in error. Using abstract math to disprove something in the biological sciences is largely futile because math is only a useful proof if all the facts to which it is applied are taken into consideration with perfect accuracy. Which is why math is absolutely fantastic for application directly to fields such as mechanics, engineering, and physics, but not nearly to the same degree when applied to biology. Abstract math is nearly useless as a mechanism for disproving scientific theories relating to biology, because it's far too easy to "lie with math" in a field like that, i.e., picking and choosing factors to take into consideration and those to pretend don't exist. One person may apply one numerical value to a fact of biology, while another may apply a different numerical value to it. Math can be a tool in biology, of course, but as a mechanism (by itself) of disproof, in abstract form, it's nearly worthless, although it can prove quite impressive to non-scientists who are hoping beyond hope for a disproof of a prevailing scientific theory by any means possible.


Then refute the basis of its application. And to be fair, the math isn’t abstract at all. It is a quite precise and pretty easy multiplication based on the series of combinations possible in the formation of proteins.

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Figure if the folks knew about DNA, the Book would have been written differently.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob

Then refute the basis of its application.

That's not up to me. Let them publish a scientific paper in an accepted journal of biology disproving evolution, and see how long before it's taken apart.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Then refute the basis of its application.

That's not up to me. Let them publish a scientific paper in an accepted journal of biology disproving evolution, and see how long before it's taken apart.


They have. Frick man they’ve written books on the subject. And the vast majority of the “takedowns” are like yours. “Ha ha, stupid non science guy doesn’t understand how us smart folks came up with this stuff. Ha ha dumbass.”

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Then refute the basis of its application.

That's not up to me. Let them publish a scientific paper in an accepted journal of biology disproving evolution, and see how long before it's taken apart.


They have. Frick man they’ve written books on the subject. And the vast majority of the “takedowns” are like yours. “Ha ha, stupid non science guy doesn’t understand how us smart folks came up with this stuff. Ha ha dumbass.”

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Then refute the basis of its application.

That's not up to me. Let them publish a scientific paper in an accepted journal of biology disproving evolution, and see how long before it's taken apart.


They have. Frick man they’ve written books on the subject. And the vast majority of the “takedowns” are like yours. “Ha ha, stupid non science guy doesn’t understand how us smart folks came up with this stuff. Ha ha dumbass.”



Yup, deeeeeply ingrained group think, the history of science is replete with it.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.


Do you apply this way of thinking to the “settled science” of human caused climate change?

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Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.


Do you apply this way of thinking to the “settled science” of human caused climate change?


What about the Holocaust?

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Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.


Do you apply this way of thinking to the “settled science” of human caused climate change?

The body of knowledge is vastly larger in biology. Evolution, as defined as change in allele frequencies over time, is not disputed. Anyone suggesting such is mistaken.


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In the video posted in this thread, only one of the guys believes in Intelligent Design. One flat rejects it and one is ambivalent about it. So, their doubts are not ways of sneaking in theology. They are just saying that Evolution as it is currently taught cannot work.

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Figure if the folks knew about DNA, the Book would have been written differently.


If they have had one decent telescope, the Book would have been written differently.
One good Hubble photo and someone to explain what they were looking at; that first chapter would have been very different.


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Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.


Do you apply this way of thinking to the “settled science” of human caused climate change?

The term "settled science" as applied to that hypothesis stems from the domain of politics, not science. Apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by oldtrapper
The number of people saying anything is not proof of its veracity.


The older I get, the more I’m inclined to believe that if a huge number of people are saying something very vociferously, then it is almost certainly false.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Well there you have it then. Their theories are not accepted as legitimate within the field. Next.


Do you apply this way of thinking to the “settled science” of human caused climate change?

The term "settled science" as applied to that hypothesis stems from the domain of politics, not science. Apples and oranges.


Not according to the climate scientists.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by oldtrapper
The number of people saying anything is not proof of its veracity.


The older I get, the more I’m inclined to believe that if a huge number of people are saying something very vociferously, then it is almost certainly false.


Like this idea of a god?

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Originally Posted by scoony
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The number of people saying anything is not proof of its veracity.


The older I get, the more I’m inclined to believe that if a huge number of people are saying something very vociferously, then it is almost certainly false.


Like this idea of a god?



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Originally Posted by scoony
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by oldtrapper
The number of people saying anything is not proof of its veracity.


The older I get, the more I’m inclined to believe that if a huge number of people are saying something very vociferously, then it is almost certainly false.


Like this idea of a god?




Mostly in the minority these days I would say.

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