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So let him publish a paper disproving evolution in a proper biology journal and see if the field agrees with him. That's how it's done.

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I haven't read the thread...have we proven the existence of God?

30 pages on my phone, surely we must have by now.


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It is my belief that Evolution (Science/Biology) and Creation compliment each other.
For those who maybe interested, this video is quite eye opening and worth the time time to watch. It's long, but not boring.
Quantum Physics is a discovery that aligns the Evolution and Creation theories.

Couldn't get it to imbed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YackvFSlDQk&vl=fr

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
So let him publish a paper disproving evolution in a proper biology journal and see if the field agrees with him. That's how it's done.



Science!!!

Meanwhile, guys like Tour say, “And yet it moves.”

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Not a lot of mind changing going on here.


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You noticed that too, huh? And repeating dismissive lines like, "Go prove (the unprovable)."


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He is one of the most preeminent nano chemist in the world and the origin of life was completely a chemical affair if you hold with current theories. He is probably one of, if not the most qualified man in the world to discuss the chemical processes necessary to create life as current science says that it was. You should do yourself a favor and actually watch the video.


It doesn't matter who he is. Science does not come down to the authority, belief or view of one man.


What science? You people prove the original point more and more with every post. Here you have a man who has over 130 patents, who has published over 750 peer reviewed articles, who has done some of the most ground breaking work in the world in synthetic and organic chemistry. He has done all of that. And you guys scream “Science”. What science? As he repeatedly says, he isn’t interested in dogma. Show him the mechanics of how something happened. Show him how it was done. Because based on his experience, expertise, and knowledge he has seen nothing from anyone to demonstrate that anyone has the faintest clue of what actually happened.

As he states, the current “science” on the subject of how life began amounts to putting some turkey cold cuts, a beak, some feathers, and a few bones in an oven and saying “Given a few million/billion years a turkey is bound to emerge at some point.”



What science? The science that is freely accessible. The science that creationists either fail to consider or reject out of hand.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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He is one of the most preeminent nano chemist in the world and the origin of life was completely a chemical affair if you hold with current theories. He is probably one of, if not the most qualified man in the world to discuss the chemical processes necessary to create life as current science says that it was. You should do yourself a favor and actually watch the video.


It doesn't matter who he is. Science does not come down to the authority, belief or view of one man.


What science? You people prove the original point more and more with every post. Here you have a man who has over 130 patents, who has published over 750 peer reviewed articles, who has done some of the most ground breaking work in the world in synthetic and organic chemistry. He has done all of that. And you guys scream “Science”. What science? As he repeatedly says, he isn’t interested in dogma. Show him the mechanics of how something happened. Show him how it was done. Because based on his experience, expertise, and knowledge he has seen nothing from anyone to demonstrate that anyone has the faintest clue of what actually happened.

As he states, the current “science” on the subject of how life began amounts to putting some turkey cold cuts, a beak, some feathers, and a few bones in an oven and saying “Given a few million/billion years a turkey is bound to emerge at some point.”

Ok. It didn't happen like "whomever" claims it did. Origin of life is not evolution. Great. Point being, this guy is a scientist that publishes in peer reviewed journals and would do so with this thesis but hasn't. So? I have been trying to pay attention here, but, have not seen anyone here claiming that the origin of life is as he's refuting. Ok, folks have issue with science that says man is causing global warming, understood. Ok, guys take issue with science of origin of life. Ok. Understood. But it seems guys are then taking a leap that therefore all science is bullchit. Laughable in our modern age of what is known... We all know God created life, then it evolved. LOL. Carry-on.


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As for me, I tend to believe that the origin of life has as scientific an explanation as does evolution. God didn't micromanage either of them. He set the ball in motion, like a bowler who knows how to release the ball in just such a way as to make a strike, and then the things he wanted to happen, did. Not because he micromanaged anything, anymore than a bowler micromanages the ball on its way to the pins, or micromanages the pins transferring force to one another in just the right way so as to make a strike. The science behind origin of life was likely just another among the sequences of events that God set into motion at the moment of creation.

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Hawk, just for discussion, you don't think God ever intervenes?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Neil Degrasse Tyson!??? Bwaaaaaaaaaa.......


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I figured that would bring out the racist in you.


sniper,

you know better than that.

There are NO racists on this forum.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Hawk, just for discussion, you don't think God ever intervenes?


wabi,

if you were God............................do you think you could resist? wink

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PS, I couldn't, it'd be too much fun screwin' with the populace. laugh


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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
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Materialistic evolution — the process of chance perturbations (and then mutations, almost off of which are fatal) over billions of years leading to all life from a common ancestor — is a philosophy, not hard science. A world view whose attitude of human arrogance emanating from the enlightenment and then the father of geology, Charles Lyle, in the1700’s and early 1800’s, wanting to describe a geology countering “the Moses account” needing billions of years of slow processes called Uniformitarianism.

He set the stage for the acceptance of billions of years which in 1859 Charles Darwin (also a non-believer) built on with his ”Origens.” This gave a ”possible” worldview many found easier to believe than a sovereign God they were accountable to. Darwin’s Science was at an elementary level and the rest conjecture.

Where did any original material come from in the first place?
There are no transitional fossils in the record nor living ones?
There is more than a whole set of encyclopedia Britannica’s information in one simple cell. Where does information directing the cell come from? Where does New information come from in the presumed increasing complexity of creatures? (The electron microscope was not even around until the early 20th century. Darwin had no idea of the complexity of the cell.). Crick of DNA fame and an atheist, has realized the total lack of credibility in evolution and has decided on transpermia — that “we” were “seeded” from someplace in outer space!!!
There are arguably fifty or so physical constants that off one place behind the decimal point would make this globe uninhabitable — you might say it was custom-fitted for human habitation.
You can direct genetic traffic within a species to make different varieties but each time there is a loss of genetic information. There is never a gain in genetic information — you cannot go from the Pomeranian back to the wolf.
C14- and radioisotope dating that everyone hangs their hat on are rife with interpretation problems and bias.

I don’t have the time to go on but a question: why do you think the ID (Intelligent Design) movement got started in the ‘90’s? Because there is too much genetic information and complexity, and the scientific knowledge (true hard science) that has been gained shows pure materialistic evolution to a dream’s fantasy. It’s so deeply imbedded in academia and the sciences and culture as dogma that it will die a slow death but it is dying in your life time.

The blithely made statements made out of complete ignorance here are always amazing. I.e., there wasn’t room on the ark for all the animals? Perhaps, say, 80% of the animals were insects and small creatures and the behemoth kind were very young or juveniles. Also these “kinds” were not species but a higher category of immense genetic information from which species and varieties could be later generated.

Fearing God is the beginning of wisdom.


You are just wrong on EVERY level.


Where did God come from in the first place?


Exactly. Declaring "God did it" does not resolve an infinite regress, it just creates a whole new one.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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We might ask, why is the speed limit 55? Do we need a speed limit? Was there always a speed limit? Who created it? And all the rest of the questions. Or, we could just drive the speed limit.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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Hawk, just for discussion, you don't think God ever intervenes?


wabi,

if you were God............................do you think you could resist? wink

Geno

PS, I couldn't, it'd be too much fun screwin' with the populace. laugh


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Originally Posted by Starman
in 2019 , iF a person 'Abraham style' went/ attempted to take their young son up a mountain to blood sacrifice them to a God
they would be arrested , convicted and imprisoned even by an all christian jury.


Heck, even if you were more civilized and just executed your captives, and not your own kids, Aztec style, you would still go to prison, and possibly receive the death penalty.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Hawk, just for discussion, you don't think God ever intervenes?

I will intervene. With all the atrocious chit that goes on He doesn't do a very good job of it.


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The word 'God' is used an awful lot, but what does it mean? Can anyone explain?

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Originally Posted by Squidge
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Hawk, just for discussion, you don't think God ever intervenes?


wabi,

if you were God............................do you think you could resist? wink

Geno

PS, I couldn't, it'd be too much fun screwin' with the populace. laugh


Sometime it's fun to just sit back and watch the Circus.


Yet feel to be above it all?

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