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And many authorities and leaders claim they need "Red Flag" laws.....they aren't seriously after nutjobs advertising as nutjobs.

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I was jury foreman for a murder trial where the defendant looked like a Boy Scout and we convicted him. So yeah, I can overlook appearances.

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Tattoos mean nothing to me. Yeah, they are mostly stupid, We are all stupid at least once, sometimes the eyes tell you what’s there, sometimes not. I would lean to acquittal unless the facts were overwhelming against him. Beyond a reasonable doubt... Seen firsthand how the State manipulates evidence to get convictions. Have also seen officers lie to make it happen. Saw a local kid sit in jail for over a year because his phone was at a location where a biker rear ended a car. Biker had a gun in his hand while lying in the road, responding paramedics waited for troopers to arrive and disarm before checking status. No mention of the gun in the police report, kid sat in jail for all that time charged with 2nd degree murder because his phone was at the location and he would not identify the driver of the car. Sheriff told the mother, the boy was held because if it went to trial, the state pays the jail cost. If they let him go before trial, the county has to cover it. What a goatphuck...

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Whatever my opinion of the defendant might be, in the forefront of my mind would be the knowledge that more than one injustice is done when an innocent person is convicted:
1. An innocent (at least of the charge at hand) person goes to jail
2. A guilty person goes free (and this one is a biggy for me)
3. Justice is not served for the victim or the victim's family

You might could rationalize #1 away if the defendant is a known criminal scumbag, and you thought he deserved to be put a way for something. But I don't see how you can get around #2 and #3.


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