|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 31,428
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 31,428 |
For a trophy bull hunt, I am bringing a lot more than a 257 cal. Why? Or what, like .277?
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
--- Kid Rock 2022
Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121
Campfire Member
|
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121 |
When I think low recoil hunting round, I think:
6mm-7mm projectiles
Short action
~0.473 case head
and then you add in elk hunt...
6.5x55; 7mm-08; 270 Win; 280 AI all come to mind.
270 will likely have the best supply of rifles and ammo available. Use a premium bullet like the Nosler Partition....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 69,282 Likes: 14
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 69,282 Likes: 14 |
What’s wrong with the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Flame suit on. 😜
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,287
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,287 |
Well he’s pretty well versed with most standard calibers and he’s been killing deer and cows with a 25-06 for the last 15 years. Since it was down the thread, I somehow missed this part... I'll change my 270 recommendation. He should stick with what works for him (ie the 25-06). I think it's utter foolishness to go to a 300 Mag, or any other different rifle/cartridge combo. Tell him to take the money he'd spend on a new rifle and get some great binoculars... then he'll have something that will really mean something to the hunt.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,817
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,817 |
So my father in law stumbled across a golden ticket on a bucket list trophy elk tag and he wants to buy a rifle specific for the hunt. He does not like recoil so no big kicking magnums but he wants to shoot out to 400 yards with no turrets or reticle use, just aim and shoot. The 257 weatherby is the only caliber that comes to mind that doesn’t kick hard but shoots flat out to 400. Are any of the new 6 or 6.5 mm in the same trajectory league as the 257 Wby. Just looking for ideas to suggest to him. ......................Looks like there are two priorities. Flat shooting to eliminate as much guess work as possible along with a moderate amount of recoil............... Yeah, the 25s including the 257 Wby will down elk. But personally, my minimum elk caliber is 6.5mm.... 26 Nosler, (my top pick) is not a heavy kicker. Then followed by in no particular order, the 6.5 PRC and 6.5/284. Then there is the new 6.5 Weatherby RPM too which gives you a slight ballistic advantage over the 6.5 PRC............... The Creed? Well that would be fine too since everyone and their bros are talking about it. Anytime there is a discussion about 6.5mms, the Creed seems to top the list...... My three 6.5mm picks plus the Wby RPM would top the Creed for flatter trajectory and have more downrange impact energy. Now if your dad in law is more traditional 'ol school, then there is always the 264 Win which would also apply and be included in the above sentence..
28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,651
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,651 |
So my father in law stumbled across a golden ticket on a bucket list trophy elk tag and he wants to buy a rifle specific for the hunt. He does not like recoil so no big kicking magnums but he wants to shoot out to 400 yards with no turrets or reticle use, just aim and shoot. The 257 weatherby is the only caliber that comes to mind that doesn’t kick hard but shoots flat out to 400. Are any of the new 6 or 6.5 mm in the same trajectory league as the 257 Wby. Just looking for ideas to suggest to him. Federal Premium 130g TTSX @ 3060fps and 7000 feet altitude: +2.56" @ 100 yards +3.03" @ 145 yards -2.71" @ 300 yards -13.24" @ 400 yards, 2238fps, 1564fpe -20.34" @ 450 yards, 2244fps, 1454fpe -3.38" @ 500 yards, 2163fps, 1350fpe From the standpoint of velocity, that beats many .30-30 loads at 25-50 yards and the energy is comparabe to many .30-30 loads at 100 yards. A load like that will be around 18 pounds recoil and take elk cleanly at 500. Inside 450 yards all shots would be on fur. At 500 yards a little holdover would do the trick.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884 |
22 Creedmoor/88ELD is what he wants now, to last him the rest of his life.
All the other cartridges are variations on the same theme: not as flat as he'd wish and more recoil than he'd enjoy.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,381 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,381 Likes: 1 |
You might want to check out the OP's post - this is to be for a trophy elk hunt. I am a fan of small calibers but I think a 22 Creed may be a bit light for an elk unless you are close enough for an ear shot.
drover
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5
Campfire Oracle
|
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,315
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,315 |
7 Rem mag. 140 TTSX. A couple shots a week to get it sighted. He won't have the slightest recollection of recoil at the moment of truth.
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 591
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 591 |
More discussion with him and information would help. Is 10 ft-lb OK, is 20 ft-lb too much? Also, a light rifle at 15 ft lb is a lot more jarring than a heavy one. You can get down to 10 with 6.5 mm on a creed or rem case, around 9 lb. rifle weight total. Add a couple pounds for a .308. An excellent .6.5 will work, but a 7 is a better idea. As noted above, more powder and projectile weight add recoil quickly.
NRA Benefactor Life Member
NAHC Life Member
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,625 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,625 Likes: 1 |
I'd be firmly in the 270/280/280AI camp.
But if he is truly recoil sensitive, and he is seriously thinking 300WM, I'd try to steer him to the 7RM.
FÜCK Jeff_O!
MAGA
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,522 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,522 Likes: 1 |
The last thing I want on a high-stakes hunt is a new rifle I’m unfamiliar with...I’d load the .25-06 with the 100 TTSX and proceed to search for the right bull.
Or get a 6.5 Creedmoor and shoot it a whole bunch between now and the hunt.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,522 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,522 Likes: 1 |
But if he is truly recoil sensitive, and he is seriously thinking 300WM, I'd try to steer him to the 7RM. Agreed.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 17,431
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 17,431 |
he wants to shoot out to 400 yards with no turrets or reticle use, just aim and shoot. The reason everyone wants one of those is because physics won’t allow you to make one of those. Jordan’s suggestion of better bullet in the 25-06 is the answer.
“Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General
John Stark.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10
Campfire Kahuna
|
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 |
I've shot or got,everything thus far mentioned. Hint.
What ain't been mentioned and what is KEY,is how Optics connect dots. Hint.
The 25-06/100x is an easy pass...though noone has shot more of same than I.
Bullets matter wayyyyyyyyyy more than headstamps and a scope is for steering boolits.
Hint.
thank me later.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 518
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 518 |
How much does he want to spend? I think a model 70 sporter or supergade in 30 06 would be ideal.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 32,135 Likes: 3
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 32,135 Likes: 3 |
If it were me, I'd stick with his .25-06 and 117 -120 grain premium bullets.. Or a bit lighter, perhaps, with a TTSX - have no experience with them. Familiarity with a rifle is not a bad thing. Zero for 250... hold a tad high if way out there- of course, he will be using a rangefinder? Hard to tell the difference between 400 and 500 yards with the naked eye. Most likely his elk will be taken at less than 200 yards anyway. Never should have sold my .25-06 - and after it made 20 something one shot kills on caribou from 70 to over 500 yards.... My bad. My .260 with 140 gr. Corelokts has done just fine on one elk (@150 yards) and several caribou out to 400. At least after I finally bought a rangefinder.... There was that one I pecker-shot at some unknown, but pretty far out range...pre-rangefinder. Wind-drift, too. 
Last edited by las; 09/07/19.
The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371 |
Make sure the cartridge is legal for Elk in Kentucky the6.5 Creedmore isn’t.
1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994
"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,287
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,287 |
Make sure the cartridge is legal for Elk in Kentucky the6.5 Creedmore isn’t. That's a real pearl of wisdom. Thanks.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
|
|
|
|
|
606 members (22kHornet, 222Sako, 204guy, 01Foreman400, 10Glocks, 61 invisible),
2,498
guests, and
1,315
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,601
Posts18,492,258
Members73,972
| |
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|
