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Quite a group of guns there. I might look at a double one day. Was looking at a 10 gauge muzzleloader for fun. Anything needing more will get the BPS. Have used a 20 gauge percussion and decided that a 10 gauge would be OK in a percussion. Thanks, and Be Well, Rusty.
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I had an Ithaca Mag 10 but sold it recently. Never used it much. Killed some geese with it. And some turkeys. My brother killed a couple of deer with it using buckshot. It was an impressive shotgun and threw wicked patterns. It was too long and heavy to be fun to use. I think it weighed 11.5 pounds loaded with lead loads. I didn't feel like the recoil was that bad. But nobody except my brother would shoot it if they watched me shoot it.
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I have an original Ithaca Mag 10 with both the 32 inch fixed choke barrel and and second 26 inch interchangeable choke barrel. Also have a American Arms O/U with 26 inch barrels and choke tubes.
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i just ordered a new Browning 10 ga. auto for my son we were goose hunting last week we shot plenty geese but this time of year geese are hard to kill with all those feathers and using steel shot is almost worthless sometimes .
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. Steel shot is not very effective beyond 55 yards. Even shooting 1700fps loads of BBB in the 10ga. Steel shot hits a wall where it just stops working. In perfect conditions a 10ga can kill a large goose effectively to about 65 yards with the 1700fps reloads of BBB. The best factory loads are 55 yard loads at best. Keep your shots inside 55 with 1500fps BB 1450fps BBB. Smaller shot are Duck loads. Larger T F just have too few pellets and lack penetration due to size. Reloading for the 10ga is required for best results with steel shot. The best factory ammo is the Federal 1 1/2oz 1450fps BBB, Second in my opinion, is the Remington Sportsman 1 3/8oz 1500fps BB load. The Winchester loads are better suited to ducks or Close range geese. If you have patterned your loads and are not killing very well when you put that pattern on the birds. Odds are good they are too far to shoot at.
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had a mag10 24" roadblocker. sold it. wish I had it.
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I had an Ithaca Crass 10 gauge 2 7/8" for many years and used it several times for duck hunts with 1 1/4 ounce loads of bismuth and ITX. It worked well. I recently fell heir to a Beretta Silver Hawk 10 gauge 3.5 inch. A close friend passed and left it to me. Beautiful gun. I was going to use it last year on a goose hunt but had to cancel when my Dad got ill. I hope to get out with it a couple times this year. That is a interesting piece!
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Decades ago in Manitoba I used an Ithaca Mag10 to shoot trap. This was on a bet: the owner had just got the gun and he was sure I'd be reeling so badly from the "brutal recoil" that I'd either give up, or that I'd have such a flinch I wouldn't be able to break enough birds to win the bet. I can't recall how many clay pigeons I had to break to win the bet, but I think it was 19 or 20. Anyway, I did win the bet (good thing I did -- the looser had to pay for a bottle of beer and the box of factory ammo which was bloody expensive! Thanks to the automatic action, I didn't find the recoil was much worse than the very fast loads I used in my Winchester 101 3 inch O/U 12 ga. These loads were published by Ballistic Products and exceeded every factory load available at the time. These loads loosened up my poor 101 over two seasons of heavy shooting, but as an impoverished graduate student, I only had 2 shotguns (I also had a featherweight Ithaca SKB S/S 20 gauge for grouse). I lived on snow geese, Canada geese, mallards, canvasbacks, and sandhill cranes. A 10ga auto or pump would stood up much better, but the Winchester 101 was what I had at the time. I knew what I was doing to it, and have no complaints about the Winchester 101 - I pushed it beyond the normal limits of a double-barreled gun. John John, if you could eat snow geese you were a hungrier man than I. I have an acquaintance who calls them sky-carp. ‘Course folks eat carp too. 🙂
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Mine is a BPS .. I have shot grouse, pheasant, duck , goose and turkey with it.. It is mainly my waterfowl gun..
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Mine is a BPS .. I have shot grouse, pheasant, duck , goose and turkey with it.. It is mainly my waterfowl gun..
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<snip> I lived on snow geese, Canada geese, mallards, canvasbacks, and sandhill cranes. John John, if you could eat snow geese you were a hungrier man than I. I have an acquaintance who calls them sky-carp. ‘Course folks eat carp too. 🙂 I used to like barbecuing a lot, and an old snow goose on the barbecue could be as tough as an old boot, so no argument there! However, I learned to shoot only the young-of-the-year snow geese and they were quite good. John
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Back in the early 80’s I would go to SE Iowa for for some pass-shooting near the DeSota National Wildlife refuge. The several hundred thousand geese were maybe 95% “snows and blues” as we would phrase it. Guys would line the roads and ditches bordering the refuge for the morning fly-off.
The geese however would lift off in widening circles in the early grey minutes before the sun would lip the horizon so that by the time they where crossing these roads they were 70 to a couple hundred yards high. They “knew” the drill. However, there were always a few, maybe The young or just slow learners, that would suddenly emerge out of the steel-grey fog at thirty or forty yards, or fifty or sixty yards.
Guys could be ready for those because their calls were clearer, louder than their much higher compatriots and their progress was plotted and prepared for by their honking.
What is always clear in my mind is one guy had an old SxS 10 ga. I wish I had taken note of the make but did not though I’m am quite sure it was not an expensive double. Clearer still is he had his right thumb, and the knuckles of his index, middle, and ring fingers taped with white athletic taped which even then would often be bloodied by the trigger guard and the action release-lever just forward of the tang.
I’ve often been intrigued by SxS doubles in 10 ga since though have no conceivable use for one even if I didn’t have to carry it. Thus it’s the only gauge shotgun of the five currently in common use I’ve never had or even shot.
But I sure do like that Beretta Silver Hawk 10. I would just have to walk up some pheasant with it. Or posting with it at the end of a SD sorghum strip taking “driven” birds coming high and fast.
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Here you go. However, if you would be so kind to let me try it. I would prefer the driven hunt. Or since it weighs 10 pounds, can we make it a short walk up hunt were we know the Birds are there for absolutely sure. https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/baretta-shotguns-for-sale/beretta-silver-hawk-10-gauge
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I've used mine on geese. I've pass shot them and over decoys. Mine is a Browning Gold. It definitely hits geese harder in both situations from my (but limited) experience than 12s whether 3" or 3.5". Same shot size. Maybe it patterns better, I don't know.
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My goodness! An 8-bore? 13.5 lbs? 36” barrels? Let’s see...900-1200 gr of shot? Surely a gun that has outlasted its day.
As to the Beretta, I like double triggers in a double but I guess with both barrels choked the same, there is no choice to be made. If I was twenty years younger I’d hold it against you for providing that link. 😜😀
I see it used in the English driven bird-hunt tradition scenario. Birds high, fast and a guy to reload it and hand it to you. However, posting in the fields of SD will suffice. 😀
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I've used mine on geese. I've pass shot them and over decoys. Mine is a Browning Gold. It definitely hits geese harder in both situations from my (but limited) experience than 12s whether 3" or 3.5". Same shot size. Maybe it patterns better, I don't know. I’m guessing “it hits harder” is more likely due to just more shot on target. In my limited experience with them, I’ve found 3 1/2” 12’s to be akin to having your teeth cleaned unless in a heavy, gas-operated gun.
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I often found itches scratched latter in life to be the most rewarding.
There is a boot clogging mud patch at the end of a SD cornfield in waiting. But it won’t wait forever.
As they say, thank me later. 😀
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[quote=Just a Hunter]I've used mine on geese. I've pass shot them and over decoys. Mine is a Browning Gold. It definitely hits geese harder in both situations from my (but limited) experience than 12s whether 3" or 3.5". Same shot size. Maybe it patterns better, I don't know. I’m guessing “it hits harder” is more likely due to just more shot on target. In my limited experience with them, I’ve found 3 1/2” 12’s to be akin to having your teeth cleaned unless in a heavy, gas-operated gun. [/quote) Thus patterning better. I did shoot a Spanish double when we could use lead. I shot it twice. I may be not remembering correctly, but the first was a 2oz load and the 2nd was a 2 1/4 load. The first wasn't bad in a 10 lb gun the second made me take a step back. With the Browning and the loads with steel we have now it isn't too bad.
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Used to own an Ithaca Mag 10- used it for pass-shooting geese, a tool it was well suited for. Then, along came the 12 ga., 3.5" magnum, in lighter, more versatile shotguns, and the Mag 10 went down the road. I hunted Alaska Brown Bear on the Aleutian Island chain a number of years ago. My guide's 'camp gun' was what he called a 'poor man's double rifle'- a shortened, double-barrelled 10 ga. SxS, fitted with express sights, and loaded with buckshot or slugs. After my hunt was over, and my brown bear was in the salt, he asked me if I cared to shoot his 10 ga., at an old 5 gallon bucket that had washed up on the beach. I fired one round, and handed it back to him- recoil was beyond brutal. By far the hardest-recoiling weapon I have ever fired.
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