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It is my understanding that background check info is supposed to see if you are eligible to buy, but your info is not to be saved. This was to stop the feds from saving your name and info so that a registry could not be created. So, when there is a shooting, the police seem to have the ability to find out if the shooter had passed a background check to buy their firearm .

So, they must save your info after all!? When did that happen?

Bill

lol You believed them? Even the Feds would be incredulous you did. Like Johnny Ringo said, "I was just funnin',".

When a FFL seller does the background check and we buy a firearm from them the govt. has the serial number and knows who bought it. The dems know if we do a private sale the govt. doesn't know where it is.

So, we have a federal gun registry. Bummer!

It's not that simple. Here's how it really works. Man shoots another man with a Glock. ATF contacts Glock and asks which distributor it was sold to. ATF contacts distributor and asks which dealer it was sold to. ATF contacts dealer and asks for a copy of the 4473 to be faxed or emailed to them. After that, the trail normally goes cold unless the customer sold it back to a dealer or the state has a registration scheme of their own. The only identifying characteristics of the firearm that is used on the background check is whether it is a "long gun", "handgun" or "other". That is so they know whether the person has to be 18 or 21 and a resident of the state of the dealer.

Sounds a little better. Thanks.

Bill

No. There is no registration at least in states with legal undocumented private sales. Most states have no state law preventing such sales and so that negates the initial registration even if you have the gun. If the Feds come around after a ban, who is to say you still have it and since there is no requirement for you to have kept a record of the possible sale/trade/gifting of the weapon, how can they say you still have the gun if you keep your mouth shut?

An anti-gun attorney here on the fire pooh-pooh's this even though its been known for years and is the ONLY thing keeping us from having a gun registry as it is. That is a fact though as long as our legal system keeps working the way it was intended. With the rise of obviously unconstitutional Red Flag Laws (with our President saying, "I'm a fan of taking the guns early. Take the guns first, then...Due Process), who knows? Due Process doesn't work that way although it has already been infringed/set aside in many ways, just like the 2nd Amendment.

A semi-retarded old man here on the fire rants about tyrannical government yet believes that jack booted agents of said tyrannical government will simply go “Oh, okay” when he tells them that he no longer has the gun or doesn’t know what happened to it.

Consider this also, my friend...I am old enough to remember my Dad being incredulous that you had to do all this paperwork (Form 4473) just to buy a gun, when he bought me my first. I remember him asking if there was a way not to do it. The Greatest Generation was asleep at the wheel when the government and the NRA brought us the GCA of 1968. The government promised it was to only be used for crime control-never registration. People actually believed and trusted the government back then. Richard Nixon was elected the first time in 1968. With guys like that in orifice, you had to trust the government...right?

If I am semi-retarded, then that makes you a full-blown retard. At least you had enough failing IQ points in your own dotage, to recognize yourself as the "anti-gun attorney". lolol

Of course, I recognize your recent insanity. I think you have a tumor or something. Go get an MRI.

I've managed to runofft most of the semi-retarded old men on here.

It's still a work in progress.

Stay tuned

Anyone who believes the gov does not have a real good idea of everything that you own is delusional.

This, I have bought several lowers and handguns w/o a NICS check. I use my CCW for all purchases which bypasses it. Nebraska kept primacy on handgun sales from the NICS system back in 91.

The gov can tell from internet purchases, bank records, etc, to a pretty close degree who owns what. They won’t have to seize anything. After not being able to get credit cards, ride an airplane, get a mortgage or send your kid to college, people will line up to turn in their guns, and that’s before the “Rat out your neighbor for extra food rations” program kicks off.

I know personally that Obama's air force flew over Texas and planted
"chips" in all guns in the State.

Everyone should remind their FFL that it's legal to dispose of their 4473's after 20 years......


Licensees shall retain each ATF Form 4473 for a period of not less than 20 years after the date of sale or disposition. Where a licensee has initiated a National Instant Background Check System (NICS) check for a proposed firearms transaction, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm is not made, the licensee shall record any transaction number on the Form 4473, and retain the Form 4473 for a period of not less than 5 years after the date of the NICS inquiry.

This. The scariest development in the last decade is basically how the commie globalists have farmed out the police state to private corporations. Once they are back in control of the government, there will not be much to stop them and the private corporations will willingly cooperate if not take the lead in everything.

Not here... The 4473 has the S/N, but the NICS check does not ask for it... Only the FFL holder has those forms stored in-house and NOT at the gov't; until and unless he/she retires/quits the business - then they're sent in..

Then there is the bound book. When a dealer goes out of business, it is to be turned over to ATF. I see Redneck beat me to it

Again, it doesn't mean the individuals and firearms listed therein are still joined at the hip. But it is one more record - and anyone who thinks it isn't computerized when turned in is in la-la land.