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The 270 made the 30-06 obsolete years ago...... ha

While I agree with some of what you wrote, I disagree with some as well.

For starters, the 6.5 Creedmore falls short to a well loaded .270 Win. Daughter’s l.270 load for a 150g ABLR beats Hornady’s 143g ELD-X for the 6.5CM by 6” drop, 150fps, 265fpe and 1/2” drift at 500.

As to the ..30-06, it will be around and popular for decades to come – for many good reasons.

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Made a mistake in my original calculations and used 7500ft altitude for the .270 instead of 500. (The 6.5 CM calcs were at 500.) The numbers have been corrected. Original numbers were "9” drop, 300fps, 500fpe and 4-1/2” drift".

More importantly for our purposes, at 7000ft altitude and above, and while the 6.5 has a miniscule advantage in drift out to 300 yards (after which the .270 wins), the .270 load beats it handily in all other categories put to 1000 yards, the limit of my calculations.
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"From a big game hunting utility perspective". Horse chit. Now all the critters I've killed with the 243, 25/06 and 270 must have been figments of my imagination. Now that the mighty Creedmoor is on the scene I'll never kill another. Good Lord.

What I've noticed is the Creedmoor has generated more irrational butthurt than cartridge hurt.

And a heaping helping of horse chit.

The Creedmoor(s) are really nice cartridges, but BS from people like Llama_Bob do them no service.

Yep.

I’m guessing the 460 Weatherby !!

Here is the thing most old farts on a hunting forum don't understand about the 6.5 CM. Hunters are a dying breed. But target shooters are increasing in numbers and the trend in rifles, optics, and cartridges is geared toward where the future sales are going to be. The younger guys who do hunt still spend more time at the range shooting than hunting. And it is perfectly natural for them to use the rifles, cartridges, and other gear for hunting that they are comfortable with at the range.

There are lots of choices better suited for purely hunting than the 6.5 CM, at least on paper. In the real world there isn't a single animal I'd hunt with a 270, 308, or 7-08, where I'd feel the least bit handicapped if I had a 6.5 CM in my hands. With modern optics no one gives a crap that a 270 shoots flatter than a 6.5 CM. With modern optics the trajectory is easily accounted for. Or if it has 200 ft lbs more energy at the muzzle. At the muzzle all of them have more than enough energy and the better 6.5 bullets really close the gap by about 200 yards. No animal will ever know the difference between any of the 3 above. Nor most any other cartridge.

But as a dual purpose target/hunting round the 6.5 is by far the better option, especially if buying off the shelf ammo and rifles. With custom loads and rifles you can do pretty much the same thing with any of them. If you have a rifle in just about any cartridge that you like, then keep using it. That's what I'm doing. I'm heavily invested in 308 and really like several rifles I own. The 6.5 is the better cartridge, but at this point in my life I'm not going to sell what I have and start over. But I'd tell any younger shooter to go 6.5 CM and not look back.

As far as "hurting " cartridge sales of other calibers, the ammo and firearms companies don't give a hoot, because they are still making money no matter WHAT rifle /cartridge a guy buys, as long as he buys !
I have lots of hunting rifles, I also have lots of match rifles, a Creedmoor among them.
Would I buy a Creedmoor for a hunting rifle? Nope, not unless it was in a particular action I liked, because the 6.5 Creedmoor does no more and even less in some cases than the 6.5X54MS, 260Rem, 6.5X55, 6.5/284, or any of the other piles of 6.5's out there.
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I guess being a hand loader of some 45 years experience, I over look the factory fodder attraction. I can appreciate the benefits the 6.5 Creedmoor provides those that don't hand load.

Likewise I wouldn't feel slighted , for the most part, pointing the 6.5 Creedmoor at most game I pursue. I do however have certain limits in my own mind not worth airing here.

The dual purpose target / hunting round status is really where it's at with the 6.5 CM. I don't consider it ideal as a varmint round. My 22/250 in my eyes is where it's at. If for no other reason than I like the 52 and 53 grain hollow points for their fragile nature. I'd like to try the 22 CM. But medium game / target duty is right up the 6.5s alley.

For me. The ranges that I have taken game at don't take any advantage of the ballistic edge the CM provides. Just a sad fact. My longest game shot was at 343 yards. Muley buck. One shot from the 270. Hornady 130 spire point. DRT. Not very exciting. The second longest was 300 +/- a yard. Whitetail doe. One 140 grain Sierra from a 7 mag under her chin. Again nuttin exciting. The CM wouldn't have given, or taken anything away from either event. Pretty much a wash. The same can be said of the 308, 243, 25/06, or any belted magnum. I don't hunt at breath taking distances,lol.

Ill bring in another Creedmoor some day soon. Waiting for Tikka to chamber the 6 and 22. I've posted on several occasions that I harbour no ill feelings toward the round. I do get a kick out of the blanket " Last word" posts from some of the Jack wagons on the web. I tend to call horse chit what it is when I smell it. Objective, intelligently written posts like the one quoted here are enjoyable reading though.

Not even close. The .270 fails out of the gate due to the only SD > 0.3 bullets having to be intentionally blunted to achieve stability. The BCs suck. It's crippled as a big game rifle.

Call me when there's an equivalent of the 160gr .264 Weldcore that'll stabilize in a 1:10" .270 Of course, you won't be calling because it's not physically possible to make that bullet due to the twist rate mistake made during the .270s initial design.

In the mean time I'll be shooting the superior Creedmoor and laughing at .270 losers

And it's spelled Creedmoor. Like the range.

Hunters aren't a dying breed at all - there isn't hardly a tag left in the state other than bear. What's dying are hunters who feel compelled to constrain themselves to cartridges with design errors that have been propagated since the 19th century. There's no reason for a hunter to be shooting a cartridge with a shoulder angle, case taper, and throat geometry designed for a machine gun 100+ (or even 50) years ago. We've improved on that garbage.

Personally, the 6.5 Creed hasn’t hurt anything...Except for losing a few Cnotes from my wallet buying a couple. The Creed has been an addition not a subtraction from what I own. 😎

Exactly this ^^^^^ for those who enjoy rifles, hunting and shooting...If I was going to help buy my wife or young hunter a cf for hunting that was moderate in recoil with a shît ton of loading options. 6.5, 308, 260, and 7/08 would cover it. 😎

Yep. When my daughter decided to buy her first rifle with her own money,she did the research. Told me she was looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor. I supported her decision and shopping we went. I later picked one up myself. Cool little round. Another good option for a younger, smaller built person that wants a good return from their choice.

LOL....at least Half the AR10 platforms I get asked to help finish out or to work on are 6.5 Creedmoor. The CM was INTENDED to work with long/high BC bullets in a standard, short action mag box.

Other than having a higher pressure at the gas port, the 6.5CM and 6CM are much more useful autoloader rounds than the .308. No question.

What has become of this place? pre-Creedmoor this statement would have resulted in pages of insults etc......

Ok , how about the Creedmoor is overblown fanboy P.O.S. the darling of the skinny jean , flat brim hat beta males.......

Real men shoot 338's & 375's no such thing as over kill.... ha

All of the short action cartridges that are not varmint calibers and many of the standard long action non magnum calibers. For a niche caliber the 6.5CM sure fills a big gap.