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Or is just asking the president of Ukraine to investigate and damage a political opponent enough? Let's say, hypothetically, that a sitting president asks a foreign leader to interfere with our elections to help damage an opponent, thereby helping him get reelected. Is that an impeachable offense? What if he threatens or implies that he will withhold aid to that country unless that leader agrees to help him out, do him a solid, so to speak? Is it extortion if a president does it? Is it really true, as some Trump lawyers say, that a sitting president is really above the law? That he cannot even be investigated, let alone indicted? Is that the American way? Just asking.... for a friend.
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Tryouts for the Real Housewives of Utah not panning out darlin??
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Just answer my question, Matilda. Or STFU.
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Oh, honey. You shouldn't talk that way.
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Just answer my question, Matilda. Or STFU. NO- YOU STFU . You arrogant, lying POS.
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You mean like when creepy uncle Joe Biden a sitting VP held up millions in military aid to ukraine to keep his POS son Hunter Biden from being investigated??? Got any more msnbc crap you want to run your pie hole on. dave
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Absolutely nothing is "required" for impeachment. The Dems can make crap up all day and vote to impeach for whatever high crime or misdemeanor suites their fancy.
-Is it right to do so? No.
-Does it make them look petty, foolish, and idiotic? Yes.
-Will a Rep Senate ever convicty him over crap like this? No.
-Would a Rep Senate convict over a REAL crime, such as treason, running guns to Mexico, etc? Yes. Republicans have prniciples and morals.
-Would a Dem Senate convict Bill or the Magic Negro all the crimes they committed? Never in a million years would they go against their own. Dems have no principles or morals. none.
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If "just asking" then the answer is "no". Lots of speculation going on with no evidence that anything other than "just asking" has occured. The Whistleblower has lawyered up, odds are very good that Congress will get to see exactly what this complaint was all about. If promises were made that could be considered "bribery", then yes, the House might open an impeachment proceeding on the matter. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting on Pelosi's feckless leadership to do something though. Plain text of the US Constitution: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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You mean like when creepy uncle Joe Biden a sitting VP held up millions in military aid to ukraine to keep his POS son Hunter Biden from being investigated??? Got any more msnbc crap you want to run your pie hole on. dave I heard something about Biden withholding billions in aid to the Russians unless they stopped investigating his worthless son. Carlsen even showed a clip of Biden bragging about it. Biden is the one that should be investigated IMO, not President Trump.
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Impeach paddler! Thanks to democrats, the word means nothing. Impeach everybody!! Be the first on your block to be impeached! Be impeached or be square! Impeachment is a resume enhancer for a democrat, so what's the prob?
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Using public funds to benefit personally...
Withholding Military aid, to pressure a Country under siege from Russia.. so he could get dirt on a political opponent to benefit personally.
Or promising Military aid for getting dirt on a political opponent.
Extortion or Bribery for personal benefit.
In ALL history books, it will show that Republicans where all Hat and no cattle and did nothing... They love to talk big, but won't actually follow the law when it comes to themselves.
What a shame for the Republican Party... being coward into silence.
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Ask a foreign official to investigate criminal corruption in his country? Threaten sanctions if that official tacitly approves of such corruption? Horrors!
Some people would want to impeach Trump for violating the First Amendment if he said something nice about Mother Theresa.
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Which explains a lot.
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Using public funds to benefit personally...
Withholding Military aid, to pressure a Country under siege from Russia.. so he could get dirt on a political opponent to benefit personally.
Or promising Military aid for getting dirt on a political opponent.
Extortion or Bribery for personal benefit.
In ALL history books, it will show that Republicans where all Hat and no cattle and did nothing... They love to talk big, but won't actually follow the law when it comes to themselves.
What a shame for the Republican Party... being coward into silence. Other than your DNC talking points ,what you actually "know" about the matter would fit on the head of a pin. Which is about the size of your lazy Socialist brain.
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What if he threatens or implies that he will withhold aid to that country unless that leader agrees to help him out, do him a solid, so to speak? Is it extortion if a president does it? A Ukranian DA is investigating one of Trumps sons??? And Trump wants to withhold aid till he is fired ???
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The real question is why was the son of Biden, a sitting Vice President at the time, on the board of directors of several Ukrainian companies. Sounds like Biden was being bought off by the Ukrainians.
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Using public funds to benefit personally...
Withholding Military aid, to pressure a Country under siege from Russia.. so he could get dirt on a political opponent to benefit personally.
Or promising Military aid for getting dirt on a political opponent.
Extortion or Bribery for personal benefit.
In ALL history books, it will show that Republicans where all Hat and no cattle and did nothing... They love to talk big, but won't actually follow the law when it comes to themselves.
What a shame for the Republican Party... being coward into silence. Oh boy......Look who woke up out of their drunken stupor.
Paul
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Or is just asking the president of Ukraine to investigate and damage a political opponent enough? Let's say, hypothetically, that a sitting president asks a foreign leader to interfere with our elections to help damage an opponent, thereby helping him get reelected. Is that an impeachable offense? What if he threatens or implies that he will withhold aid to that country unless that leader agrees to help him out, do him a solid, so to speak? Is it extortion if a president does it? Is it really true, as some Trump lawyers say, that a sitting president is really above the law? That he cannot even be investigated, let alone indicted? Is that the American way? Just asking.... for a friend.
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Yes sitting presidents cannot be indicted. Impeachment is event-driven by public sentiment via a confidence measure. The documentation of Hunter Biden using the power and influence of VP Biden is beyond question. From flying to Ukraine on AF2 to the political pressure that got a gas Ukrainian official fired that stood in the way of a lucrative deal is also well documented. The fact is that Hunter Biden used the power and influence of his VP father to land a sweetheart deal. He ignored all the negative optics and in the end Joe Biden will pay the price.
Moreover, the DNC doesn't want Biden at the head of the ticket - its Pocahontis they want. You know, the woman who falsely claimed some Indian heritage to game the system.
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