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What were the "odds" that The Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks went right to Whining and know better than to TRY and "talk" boolits. Congratulations?!?
Pardon Facts and Physics,upsetting your Imaginations and Pretend,so very reliably. hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
Laughing!..............................
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Of course they do. The number one thing you can do to ensure a non-dangerous game animal goes down quickly and is easy to find if it runs at all is produce a large exit wound with an expanded projectile. The way you ensure your expanded projectile exits is sectional density - really expanded sectional density, but since expansion ratios are at least close to constant the un-expanded sectional density and weight retention is a good proxy.
This is why .270 is so weak in terms of terminal performance on large game.
A bullet that doesn't exit on anything but a straight on shot is a bullet failure.
TSXs have been raping sectional density worshippers for years, due to good bullet design.
I beg to differ! A ttx with a sectional density of .320 traveling at 2800 fps will penetrate much further than a TTX with a sectional density of .225 traveling at 2800 fps both bullets weighing 180 grains. In fact, the ttx is an excellent example of expressing the usefulness of high sectional density Trystan Same water supply?
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What were the "odds" that The Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks went right to Whining and know better than to TRY and "talk" boolits. Congratulations?!?
Pardon Facts and Physics,upsetting your Imaginations and Pretend,so very reliably. hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
Laughing!..............................
The 147 eld, 180 eld, 225 eld are all high sectional density bullets. Please feel free to extoll there virtues "AGAIN" because high sectional density and BC tend to coincide though it don't not mean schit?????....You have reliably circled the wagons and the pilgrims are in deep trouble! Keep on charging hard and don't let up you've got em cornered....Lol πππ
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
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What were the "odds" that The Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks went right to Whining and know better than to TRY and "talk" boolits. Congratulations?!?
Pardon Facts and Physics,upsetting your Imaginations and Pretend,so very reliably. hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
Laughing!..............................
The 147 eld, 180 eld, 225 eld are all high sectional density bullets. Please feel free to extoll there virtues "AGAIN" because high sectional density and BC tend to coincide though it don't not mean schit?????....You have reliably circled the wagons and the pilgrims are in deep trouble! Keep on charging hard and don't let up you've got em cornered....Lol πππ Iβm not as hard corps as Stick and have only hammered a few deer with the 147 ELD from the Creed but that 225 would carry some darned mail in a 300.
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What were the "odds" that The Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks went right to Whining and know better than to TRY and "talk" boolits. Congratulations?!?
Pardon Facts and Physics,upsetting your Imaginations and Pretend,so very reliably. hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
Laughing!..............................
The 147 eld, 180 eld, 225 eld are all high sectional density bullets. Please feel free to extoll there virtues "AGAIN" because high sectional density and BC tend to coincide though it don't not mean schit?????....You have reliably circled the wagons and the pilgrims are in deep trouble! Keep on charging hard and don't let up you've got em cornered....Lol πππ Iβm not as hard corps as Stick and have only hammered a few deer with the 147 ELD from the Creed but that 225 would carry some darned mail in a 300. I've shot more 147s at targets with my 6.5 swede than anything else but when it comes time to hunt I've only used the 130 accubond. The 130 accubond has worked so damn well I haven't been able to get myself to change. I agree the 225 would carry some mail though I've only ever used the 208 due to 10 twist barrels Trystan
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What were the "odds" that The Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks went right to Whining and know better than to TRY and "talk" boolits. Congratulations?!?
Pardon Facts and Physics,upsetting your Imaginations and Pretend,so very reliably. hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
Laughing!..............................
The 147 eld, 180 eld, 225 eld are all high sectional density bullets. Please feel free to extoll there virtues "AGAIN" because high sectional density and BC tend to coincide though it don't not mean schit?????....You have reliably circled the wagons and the pilgrims are in deep trouble! Keep on charging hard and don't let up you've got em cornered....Lol πππ Trystain, Please feel free to cite where I mentioned those projectiles in this discussion and mused their SD "values" as "virtues" anywhere/any time. It will be FUNNIER than fhuqk,if you try,mainly because it ain't ever happened. Hint. Congratulations?!? "There" is obviously too "big" of a word for you. What do you "do" for a "living",given your rather AMAZING Stupidity? Hint. In "fairness" however,I've shot every projectile cited and in more than one chambering,though luckily for you Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute" ...you "lucky" kchunt. 'Course,I've shot more than a "few" others too. Hint. As of this moment,I don't know of a Moose greater than 65.5" that was 147'd ala Kreedmire'd this Season. Suplizingly,only (1) All Time Book Sheep too,but more than a few Grizzlies thus far,all one and done. Ain't as many gents squirtin' .284" 180 ELD's,if only because there ain't too many S/A's equipped to handle same. Cain't know anyone who's gunning a Turdy caliber,exceptin' myself(I've more than a few) and the 225 ELD ain't much to get giddy about. 1-10" in '06 or greater capacity,stabilizes same just fine. Now you can say you've read about it. Hint. Laughing! Your perpetual Dumbfhuqktitude never disappoints,in it's Magnificent Grandeur and it's always a hoot to be "regaled" by a Brokedick Retarded Fhuqk trying to "talk" about wares welllllll beyond her "means","abilities" and "comprehension". Pardon my shooting it all and then some. Hint. Bless your heart for TRYING though. Hint. LAUGHING!..........................
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LOL....
Letβs go pure simpleton on this:
two bullets of the same weight/caliber will have the exact same SD, and two bullets of the same weight/caliber can have vastly different SDs once they hit something, regardless of shape, simply because of the simpleton math behind SD. The one with the most aerodynamic shape at the same weight/caliber will have a much higher BC AND the same SD.....therefore, worshipping SD is going full retard, when a mere change in bullet shape can kick its ass by itβs own math. Worshipping BC unless one needs a round nosed bullet, makes far more sense......and bears out if you go shoot stuff regularly......
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Jesus Christ, what is SD??? That was 80βs I believe.... the last thought on killin... π
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LOL....
Letβs go pure simpleton on this:
two bullets of the same weight/caliber will have the exact same SD, regardless of shape, simply because of the simpleton math behind SD. The one with the most aerodynamic shape at the same weight/caliber will have a much higher BC AND the same SD.....therefore, worshipping SD is going full retard, when a mere change in bullet shape can kick its ass by itβs own math.
Not to mention bullet construction, which affects penetration.
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Pure simpleton meet Full retard...
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LOL....
Letβs go pure simpleton on this:
two bullets of the same weight/caliber will have the exact same SD, regardless of shape, simply because of the simpleton math behind SD. The one with the most aerodynamic shape at the same weight/caliber will have a much higher BC AND the same SD.....therefore, worshipping SD is going full retard, when a mere change in bullet shape can kick its ass by itβs own math.
Not to mention bullet construction, which affects penetration. Bullets that are constructed longer generally penetrate further than bullets that are constructed shorter given they are bullets of equal construction yet unequally constructed in length........lol
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
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Those who canβt do ........βteachβ
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constructed longer, constructed shorter, equally constructed, unequally constructed? Wow. Again, ifs and buts, candy and nuts..... and SD by itself is nonsense. SD NOT by itself, is next to meaningless compared to everything else, combined.....construction, velocity, BC, material, target, etc. Another good one for those challenged by common sense.
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Ummm, the sectional density changes drastically once the bullet makes impact...... measure that.... hahahahaha
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Ummm, the sectional density changes drastically once the bullet makes impact...... measure that.... hahahahaha Kinda hard to do with a high sectional density bullet given they penetrate every time! I'm sure hh4whiskey has measured lots of his bullets π
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Ummm, the sectional density changes drastically once the bullet makes impact...... measure that.... hahahahaha Kinda hard to do with a high sectional density bullet given they penetrate every time! I'm sure hh4whiskey has measured lots of his bullets π Iβm sure youβve measured less. Then again, since everything else is equal, they measure the same, anyway. LOL
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Ummm, the sectional density changes drastically once the bullet makes impact...... measure that.... hahahahaha Kinda hard to do with a high sectional density bullet given they penetrate every time! I'm sure hh4whiskey has measured lots of his bullets π Iβm sure youβve measured less. Then again, since everything else is equal, they measure the same, anyway. LOL I almost spit my coffee out when I read that π Everything is equal when they both put what we are shooting at in the freezer Trystan
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S.D. is just one factor affecting penetration.
Other factors include expansion rate, amount of deformation, total frontal area, rate of weight loss and retained weight - all of which are dependent on bullet construction, impact velocity and physical characteristics of the material being impacted.
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Who give a [bleep]?
Shoot them through the lungs, end of story.
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Um. Dead animal = bullet that did not fail. By definition. Well that's the stupidest thing I've seen all week  Nearly every wounded animal ends up a dead animal EVENTUALLY. That doesn't mean an adequately deep and wide wound was delivered to ensure a humane and timely kill with the animal near the location it was shot and a sizable blood trail to follow if it moves.. A bullet success is a bullet that a) expands and b) has the capability to penetrate the thickness of the animal and exit, including breaking skeletal bones if need be, on a side or quartering shot. It's entirely possible to have an animal drop quickly from a total bullet failure IF you get lucky. Is you plan to count on luck? Considering I shot professionally for fifteen years and the one thing I did not want was a projectile exiting the kangaroos head and hitting stock I would suggest you are wrong, and the fifty plus thousand kangaroos I shot would disagree with you also. In point of fact I have a bunch of 120 grain TTSX for use in my 7x64 on deer and I don't really care if they don't go through the animals, so long as they kill them and allow me to use the meat. That said, were I to hunt those big bears you have there I would be inclined to go with a M2 and a half dozen belts of link and hope for as much penetration as I could get.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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