This thread is hilarious, Buy a 'good' [ss 3-9 hd] scope w/ turrets that match the reticle, read Formi's post on how to use it and go kill schidt. I have had one for about 4 months and have killed coyotes and jackrabbits w/ it and it works as well for hunting as it does for shooting steel. Anyone who can't figure out FFP and an MQ reticle needs to stay w/ what is comfy.
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Please read my post again, I said my experience is pretty much the opposite of what you stated, so I'm not sure how that "makes your point". A mil/mil scope is no more out of it's comfort zone in the woods than a duplex reticle is, in my experience.
If we're only considering FFP then your comment is valid, especially for the higher zoom factor stuff like a 3-15x, but this discussion is not about FFP it's about mil/mil scopes. I see no reason to confuse the discussion further by adding FFP vs SFP into the mix.
My point was it is pointless to use a FFP mil/mil reticle in dense woods when you may shoot 100 yds or less, especially at running deer. Argue with that.
Why would I change scopes for one situation to another, when one scope can do everything I need? If I have a good 3-9x mil/mil scope on a rifle and decide to hunt in the woods (and I do), I've got no reason at all to swap the scope out, and it's certainly not at a disadvantage.
Maybe your argument is against using a mil scope on something that'll never shoot past 100 yards, but that's really nothing to do with this thread. And still nothing I said backs up your argument. I'm not really sure what you're trying to show here?
I have, and use, both. If forced to make a choice (glad I'm not), I'd choose mil/mil.
One thing I like about "mils" is the ease of calculating:
1 mil is equal to 1/1000 of whatever unit you are working in.
For yards, 1 mil is 1 yard at 1,000 yards.
From an earlier example, it is .632 yards at 632 yards. Multiply .632 by 36" and you get 22.75"...I need a calculator or pen and paper to do that.
We were recently shooting .22 LR at 500 yards. Our hold was just over 30 mils. I was asked "How many inches above the target are we holding?"
At 500, 1 mil is .5 yards. Therefore, at that distance, 30 mils is 15 yards. There are three feet/yard...45 feet. Multiply that by 12 and I'm back to needing a calculator or pen and paper.
The reply was telling: "Nah, I understand feet. Thanks".
I will say, however, IF you have a reticle designed for holdover, the adjustments should match the reticle.
Having a mil reticle and moa adjustments, while workable is less than ideal. I've never seen a scope with moa reticle and mil adjustments. Curious. Have any of you?
AND, before anyone calls me out for 500 yards with a .22 lr, remember, I said we were "shooting" at 500 yards, not "hitting" at 500 yards. The occasional hit was fun. Almost a 2 second time of flight to the target and almost a 2 second time of flight for the sound to get back.
Please read my post again, I said my experience is pretty much the opposite of what you stated, so I'm not sure how that "makes your point". A mil/mil scope is no more out of it's comfort zone in the woods than a duplex reticle is, in my experience.
If we're only considering FFP then your comment is valid, especially for the higher zoom factor stuff like a 3-15x, but this discussion is not about FFP it's about mil/mil scopes. I see no reason to confuse the discussion further by adding FFP vs SFP into the mix.
My point was it is pointless to use a FFP mil/mil reticle in dense woods when you may shoot 100 yds or less, especially at running deer. Argue with that.
At 100 yards or more a FFP mil/mil scope is a benefit. Say the deer is running at 20 mph perpendicular to you , depending on caliber /bullet/velocity, say a full value wind (10 mph) is 0.5 mils at 100 yards. The 100 yard shot will require 1.0 mil mil lead on the deer. this can easily be done on the retical, aka windshield.
How do you know the deer is running 20 mph? Take 3 average speeds a deer runs at, choose the one closest to your observations. This works all the way out in distance.
You can add or subtract wind to the equation as taking % differences if the deer is not running perpendicular to you.
A running deer can be used in the same way a steady wind.
I reject the metric system so mil/mil means nothing to me but cluttered lines on a piece of glass. I hunt elk, not terrorists. But to each his own. Last week I watched a world-traveled hunter screw up his math on a $10,000 rifle scope combo. Zeroed at 200 yds he tested zero at 400 and was off 8" high. After we discussed, I said you errantly doubled your vertical scale by a factor of 2. He called the company out in UT, I believe it was and they told him he mistakenly doubled his vertical adjustments. So he was going to write it all down on masking tape placed on the massive scope tube body. I said it was a good idea.............jeez
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