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It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill.
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Stick that 25-06 in an AICS mag and see how it works out...if you understand that, you'll understand why the Creedmoor was developed. Only need one shot with the 25-06, no need for a stinken AICS! You do realize there are more disciplines in the shooting world than just hunting, correct? Qualified expert with a M16 in 1970 at Quantico ..
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Well, just the smell of a 25/06 kills deer out to 1000 yards. It's on the internet! Deer fall over dead when you think about a .270....That's a fact, not like the BS on the internet.
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Stick that 25-06 in an AICS mag and see how it works out...if you understand that, you'll understand why the Creedmoor was developed. Only need one shot with the 25-06, no need for a stinken AICS! You do realize there are more disciplines in the shooting world than just hunting, correct? Qualified expert with a M16 in 1970 at Quantico .. Not much said there IMHO. Your point is?
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Stick that 25-06 in an AICS mag and see how it works out...if you understand that, you'll understand why the Creedmoor was developed. Only need one shot with the 25-06, no need for a stinken AICS! You do realize there are more disciplines in the shooting world than just hunting, correct? Qualified expert with a M16 in 1970 at Quantico .. Not much said there IMHO. Your point is? Reread Pahntr760's post until you get it.. He is not talking about shooting paper.. Just so you know I have many 6.5's including a Creed and only one 25-06, .257AI & a two 250-3000.. The 6mm and 6.5's are my favorite cals.
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[ This from an article by Ron Spomer. https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/2...;mc_cid=c29b894b9d&mc_eid=84ca3375c6The 25-06 shoots flatter--a lot flatter--at 600 yards than the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .270, despite the fact that most 25-06 twists are 1:10 and no one really makes a high BC bullet in .257 diameter. At 600 yards the 25-06's wind deflection is only 2.5 inches less than the Creedmoor. How do you reconcile the first sentence with the last? The 25-06 is a great cartridge and does not need you're smoke n mirrors. Oops. My mistake. I meant to write the 25-06's wind deflection is 2.5 inches MORE than the Creedmoor, not less. For hunting situations that would make no difference IMHO.
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Everything pales when compared to the .270!!!!
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My old friend Ron is a real s**t-stirrer, especially on his website because the more he stirs the more people look at his site, and the more he gets paid. (It's a lot like the Campfire.)
He forgets to mention several things:
The wind velocity used to calculate drift is apparently 5 mph. (I calculated the same basic bullet/velocity choices, and that became apparent.) At 10 mph, the advantage for the 6.5 CM is more like 5 inches at 600 yards. Plus, a much higher BC bullet always reduces the effects of wind-judging error.
Shooting "flatter" can be useful up to around 500 yards, but to make sure hits beyond 500 you'd better be twisting the elevation turret. Which makes a flatter trajectory beside the point.
At 600 yards the .25-06 has under 1000 foot-pounds of energy, the 6.5 CM bullet around 15% more. This may or may not be relevant, but the advantage goes to the 6.5.
He also neglects to mention how accurate 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo typically is in even inexpensive rifles. I have considerable experience with the .25-06, and factory ammo may or may not be very accurate in a particular rifle. (The same applies to the .270, with which I have even more considerable experience.)
Again, this does not mean I am a major advocate of the 6.5 Creedmoor over the .25-06 or .270, or any other hunting cartridge in that class. But I can recognize s**t stirring when it appears on the Internet, especially when the facts are carefully chosen (or left out) to appeal to certain readers.
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It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have a 700 Classic in 250 Savage that will be one of the fair weather pop guns. It would be fun to get the biggest buck from my camp with the smallest cartridge used. Give the 7mm and 300 mag guys something to think about.
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It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill. +2
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For myself personal I've formed a bigger appreciation for cartridges that will get the job accomplished without burning out the barrel at such a rapid pace.
Give me a 6.5 in a moderate sized case every day of the week! I think I'd be exceptionally pleased with a 7mm-08 or 308 as well
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It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill. I'm in the same boat. Hell, even my goat fugged 10 twist .243 works just fine. Some guys are apparently just too dense to understand that what benefits a different cartridge/ bullet may offer at 5 or 600 yards is of no consequence to me at all. Oh but it'll drift less and hit with more energy at any range they'll say. YAWWWWN.
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I don't own a 25-06 but if I was deer hunting anywhere in the U.S. and had a 25-06 in my hands loaded with 100 grain Nosler Ballistic tips or Partitions, I'd feel pretty well equipped.
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No flies on the 25-06 but you're not going to get me to give up my creedmoor.
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Shucks, in the -06 case... everyone knows the 280 rules them all... and the 280 is a short action compared to the 50 BMG...
best of both worlds... edges the other -06s by a nose and "short action"
280 wins.
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No flies on the 25-06 but you're not going to get me to give up my creedmoor. Just as long as you don't consider a barrel burner a fly 😁 I'll take a 6.5 Creedmoor as well over a 25/06 One of those "short action" 50 bmg 280's would make a nice cartridge as well considering it's been necked up beyond 25/06" blow torch" stage 😂😁
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For my 300 yards and in, point and shoot purposes a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington flinging 100 grain Ballistic Tips would be pretty nice. My 243 flinging 80 grain TTSX's fills the role this season however.
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Of course. Tacticool posing is far and away the most popular these days.
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For my 300 yards and in, point and shoot purposes a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington flinging 100 grain Ballistic Tips would be pretty nice. My 243 flinging 80 grain TTSX's fills the role this season however. Yes, AND It's all in fun for me. For the modest shooting distances available to me in my hunting area almost anything will do. 300 yards is a far piece there and deer aren't that hard to kill. This too. For myself it's 400 yd. point and shoot. No ranging, No read chart, No twist dials. Point & Shoot. The 270 W, 130s @ 3100 fps and The 7 RM, 140s @ 3200-3300 fps serve me very well. I know I don't shoot 400 yds very often but it CAN and HAS happened. I'm prepared. I have a 6mm Rem and 6.5X55 (in M 70 FTWT with a moderate throat). They're close but not the same. FOR ME. Jerry
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