I’m thinking about picking up different Hunting scope for my Winchester Featherweight. Right now I’ve got a Leupold vx3i 3.5-10x40 on it, I’m wondering if the glass on the SHV is better, worse or about the same as the vx3i?
I have both, and though I can't say which has the better glass, both are very close (I haven't done any measurable tests, just shot deer), but the warm-n-fuzzy factor is much higher with the SHV.
I have to admit I’m not much of a fan of the VX-3i 3.5X10X40 the NF is a nicer scope but twice the money. If you want to stick with Leupold the VX-3i 4.5X14X40 30mm side focus is a great scope and still less than the NF
I have to admit I’m not much of a fan of the VX-3i 3.5X10X40 the NF is a nicer scope but twice the money. If you want to stick with Leupold the VX-3i 4.5X14X40 30mm side focus is a great scope and still less than the NF
I’m not worried about the price of the SHV, I have the money for one in my “toy fund”.
I’ve owned several Leupolds vx1, vx2, vxiii, vx3, vx5, and a few vx6’s, I’ve also owned a few Zeiss conquests, MC and HD a few swaro’s haibacht, z3, z5, and x5, but I’ve never owned a Nightforce. I was thinking of maybe getting another Swaro z3 but figured I’d try out a Nightforce this time round. If I like it maybe I’ll swap my x5i out with a Nightforce. The x5i is a nice scope but that turret on top is just a bit too cumbersome for my type of hunting.
I think VX-6 glass may be better than SHV glass, but the latter for sure has a better rep for adjustment dependability.
Z-3 glass is pretty good, I’m guessing on par with the SHV.
For a robust scope, maybe a bit heavier than some, the SHV would be hard to beat.
I have those mentioned, so it’s easy to compare. But that’s just my opinion, no fancy testing.
DF
A couple years ago I took out my Zeiss Conquest hd5 and MC, Swarovski Z3, and VX3i and looked across my field after legal shooting light and I couldn’t notice a difference in any of them so if the SHV is on par with them then I’ll be happy.
For me it just comes down to brand trust and confidence. Even if they were equal (and they aren't), I would go for the NF every day. The SHV is just plain trustworthy.
In any event, the NF SHV is superior in every aspect to the vx3i except the parallax adjustment is not needed for most general applications.
For me it just comes down to brand trust and confidence. Even if they were equal (and they aren't), I would go for the NF every day. The SHV is just plain trustworthy.
In any event, the NF SHV is superior in every aspect to the vx3i except the parallax adjustment is not needed for most general applications.
I have both.
Get an illuminated SHV and you won’t have adjustable parallax.
SHV glass is on par with VX3 glass. VX5/6 is much better than both. SHV has a more stable and forgiving eye box than the VX3i. The Leupold eye relief tends to shift as you adjust magnification.
If you want some really ridiculous glass for under $1k, Europtic has Leica Magnus 1.5-10x42 starting at $799
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Well after all this fine advice on the SHV, a trip to the shop changed everything! Once the shop owner heard what I wanted it for he made me a deal on a Zeiss Victory Diavari 2.5-10x50 I couldn’t refuse. I ended up spending a few hundred more but I couldn’t say no to the deal.
Thanks for all the replies anyway guys. I’m thinking about buying a Kimber Montana, maybe I’ll throw the SHV on there instead.
Although you've made alternate arrangements already, in the FWIW dept. A 2.5-10x42 NXS will fit on a LA M70 Fwt or a Kimber MT 84L in Talley Lwt Lows. There is virtually NO ROOM left for an obj lens cover on the Kimber though.
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IMO the NF is superior in every way. Optically, dependability, all around
Have owned both and fully agree. As it should, costing 2X more. Pictured here with a buck I took last Thursday. Scope is in Medium Talley's on a Bergara Woodsman.
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Although you've made alternate arrangements already, in the FWIW dept. A 2.5-10x42 NXS will fit on a LA M70 Fwt or a Kimber MT 84L in Talley Lwt Lows. There is virtually NO ROOM left for an obj lens cover on the Kimber though.
That’s good to know, I’m still going to set up a Kimber with Nightforce one day.
IMO the NF is superior in every way. Optically, dependability, all around
Have owned both and fully agree. As it should, costing 2X more. Pictured here with a buck I took last Thursday. Scope is in Medium Talley's on a Bergara Woodsman.
How do you like the Zeiss? Any cons I should know about? The one I bought has a #6 reticle.
Great scope with top of the line optics.
Also have a 1.5-6x42 on a M-70, 375 H&H. One Fire member who has been to Africa a few times, commented on how this rig would be about perfect for Leopards in dim light. Never been to Africa, but I see his point. This scope is excellent in dim light and the .375 with the right bullet would be ideal big cat medicine.
IMO the NF is superior in every way. Optically, dependability, all around
Have owned both and fully agree. As it should, costing 2X more. Pictured here with a buck I took last Thursday. Scope is in Medium Talley's on a Bergara Woodsman.
What’s the green cap all about?
A sticker with drops written on it.
A true sportsman counts his achievements in proportion to the effort involved and fairness of the sport. - S. Pope
IMO the NF is superior in every way. Optically, dependability, all around
Have owned both and fully agree. As it should, costing 2X more. Pictured here with a buck I took last Thursday. Scope is in Medium Talley's on a Bergara Woodsman.
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My take, the SHV is very good in dim light, although probably not the absolute best. Its strong point, IMO, is it’s strong and robust, holds zero and tracks about as good as any. It may be a tad heavier than some but bank vaults tend to be heavy. And it’s built like one.
It may not be for every application but I sure like mine.
I'm happy with my SHV 3-10x42 MOAR on my Kimber Longmaster 6.5 Creed. I've dialed it but most often use the windshield and have had no issues come evening or morning low light. Have added a washer type zero stop to mine.
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I got the washer/spacer from a business by the name of Zer-OStop.com business owner Jason Miller . also facebook.com/ZSTurretSystem is a place he did business. I've tried to contact him recently to no avail.
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Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
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I'll second the comments on the SHV. I own two of them, both 3-10x42, one on a .243 RAR Predator in Med rings, the other on a Forbes .243AI in Talley Med rings.
Both have the Illuminated MOAR reticle which is perfect for hunting, IMHO. I have drops for a specific load memorized out to 500 yards for the .243 and 600yards for the .243AI.
I own one VX-5 and the SHV has clearer glass and better low-light performance to my old eyes.
Ed
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Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
Thanks sidepass for the shim size! I need to make a couple of these.
I have a couple 3-10 SHV's and really like them. I was a bit worried about their weight when compared to the 3-10X40 Leupolds that were replaced, but honestly can't tell the difference when packing the rifle.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
I believe there would be a market for such a part.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
I believe there would be a market for such a part.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
I believe there would be a market for such a part.
DF
I just talked to him in the breakroom, he is getting the specs as I type this.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
Think the depth should be .200 so theirs some chicken to sand away to find YOUR zero. The zero stop rests on top of the dust cap threads and the turret lands on the zero stop. So once you zero your rifle you measure the gap between the top of the threads and bottom of turret and that gives you your stop thickness. I sanded away an extra moa so when i go to zero the turret is under no tension. OEH .932 OD
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Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
Think the depth should be .200 so theirs some chicken to sand away to find YOUR zero. The zero stop rests on top of the dust cap threads and the turret lands on the zero stop. So once you zero your rifle you measure the gap between the top of the threads and bottom of turret and that gives you your stop thickness. I sanded away an extra moa so when i go to zero the turret is under no tension. OEH .932 OD
I know that there are quite a few videos and forum posts out there about using nylon washers to create zero stops for SWFA scopes. Would one of those work for these scopes as well, provided it is the right size?
More of a spacer than a washer. Roughly 13/16" id 15/16 "od so a wall of 1/8 " and a depth on 3/16" looks like a ring. Found some rubber O rings that might work double stacked but not sure how they would compress.
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
Material some kind of fiber somewhat like that from a 3D printer, ID .810 OD .932 thickness started around .200 mines now .149 now that I sanded it down to MY zero.Actually sanded it down plus 1 moa so the turret is not under tension when zeroed .
So ID .810 OD 9.32 and .149 on depth ? I have a 3d printer 50 feet from my desk, There is a guy at work that can make some of these up if that is the correct dimension.
I believe there would be a market for such a part.
More of a spacer than a washer. Roughly 13/16" id 15/16 "od so a wall of 1/8 " and a depth on 3/16" looks like a ring. Found some rubber O rings that might work double stacked but not sure how they would compress.
I’d expect a soft and mushy end point. They would keep you from an extra turn, going too low.
I’m interested in what ever works. Doesn’t need to be fancy or real precise, IMO, to let you know you’re at the right level.
Here’s what I would do if I was to make a zero stop. I would buy a pice of raw aluminum rod, most likely in 1”, then drill a 13/16” hole in it, then cut a slab off with a chop saw. Then I’d either have it powder coated or better yet anodized in black.
ordered some O rings. will see if they compress to much and hinder dust cap being secured and or if the turret cap itself forces the ring over the dust cap threads. O rings due on monday.
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Here’s what I would do if I was to make a zero stop. I would buy a pice of raw aluminum rod, most likely in 1”, then drill a 13/16” hole in it, then cut a slab off with a chop saw. Then I’d either have it powder coated or better yet anodized in black.
I've got some from a 3D printer. I've only tested one, and not extensively, but it works well. I sanded it down to a little below height, then notched a spot so I could see 0.
Ed,
If your guy with the printer wants one to use as a pattern I can send you one. I don't know the measurements...I gave a coworker one of the original sand to fit ones from zero-stop and they gave me several trial/error sizes to try.
I've got some from a 3D printer. I've only tested one, and not extensively, but it works well. I sanded it down to a little below height, then notched a spot so I could see 0.
Ed,
If your guy with the printer wants one to use as a pattern I can send you one. I don't know the measurements...I gave a coworker one of the original sand to fit ones from zero-stop and they gave me several trial/error sizes to try.
Jay, I'll wait to see what he comes up with first. He is pretty sharp(at times).I'll run using yours as a pattern and see what he says if he has problems. I am almost tempted to buy a piece of delrin and have one machined by a retired machinist that has done some stuff for me.
I've got some from a 3D printer. I've only tested one, and not extensively, but it works well. I sanded it down to a little below height, then notched a spot so I could see 0.
Ed,
If your guy with the printer wants one to use as a pattern I can send you one. I don't know the measurements...I gave a coworker one of the original sand to fit ones from zero-stop and they gave me several trial/error sizes to try.
Thinking this is the answer.
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
I've got some from a 3D printer. I've only tested one, and not extensively, but it works well. I sanded it down to a little below height, then notched a spot so I could see 0.
Ed,
If your guy with the printer wants one to use as a pattern I can send you one. I don't know the measurements...I gave a coworker one of the original sand to fit ones from zero-stop and they gave me several trial/error sizes to try.
Thinking this is the answer.
I think you are right about that. I have not heard from the guy at work...it might be at the bottom of his list of priorities