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Tuners: I wish they weren't so ugly. I guess one that was barrel diameter would need to be overly long. Not sure if these would overcome the velocity window of some bullets as I suspect there are more factors after it leaves the barrel, but could be way off on that. Played around with a Boss but none of the others.
My take is a good load could be dialed in further but it wouldn't turn a bad load into a good one. Is this your experience too?
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Agree with Keith. I don't see it as a downside that the 6x47 only does 2950 as that seems to be a sweet spot for many of the VLD type bullets from 105-115 grains I have five 6x47 Lapuas, and not a one does less than 3000 with 105's, including a 20" Rock barrel. My 26" gun runs them at 3125.
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The "creeds" pretty much made, 22-250/22-250 ai, 243/243 ai/6mm, 260/260ai obsolete, with good reason, unless a guy thinks (fireforming) is cool, which it's not...... Until I bring up the 22-204 is a better mousetrap than a 223 Ackley for that very reason.......
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22 250 water volume is 44
22 250ai is 46
6mm creed is 52
Is this data correct? All I could find...
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I hunt/shoot with a 8 twist 243ai and 105s on a 700 action and PN bbl. Absolute monster of a combination. Built it when you had to build it to shoot 105s.
With what’s available today, I would do 6 Creed.
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I hunt/shoot with a 8 twist 243ai and 105s on a 700 action and PN bbl. Absolute monster of a combination. Built it when you had to build it to shoot 105s.
With what’s available today, I would do 6 Creed. This. Shooting the same in a bartlein and 788 action. When I re barrel it will be to a 6 creed. It's a better mousetrap.
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I hunt/shoot with a 8 twist 243ai and 105s on a 700 action and PN bbl. Absolute monster of a combination. Built it when you had to build it to shoot 105s.
With what’s available today, I would do 6 Creed. Maybe Remington will come out with a factory chambering 8 twist 6 creedmoor and 22 creed too.
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I hunt/shoot with a 8 twist 243ai and 105s on a 700 action and PN bbl. Absolute monster of a combination. Built it when you had to build it to shoot 105s.
With what’s available today, I would do 6 Creed. Maybe Remington will come out with a factory chambering 8 twist 6 creedmoor and 22 creed too. I would spend a little more and go with something better
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I know the Fieldcraft is available in 21” bbl’d 6 Creedmoor.
Who else factory chambers 6CM?
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Be nice to see a Mesa or Ridgeline in 6 CM
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The Christensen Arms actions are very nice looking. Haven't ever played with one though, outside of a cursory fondle at the gunshop.
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Howa is selling barreled actions and maybe even rifles.
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The Christensen Arms actions are very nice looking. Haven't ever played with one though, outside of a cursory fondle at the gunshop. I have a Ridgeline enroute. See how it goes.
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6 Creed with at least a 7.5 twist....
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The OP asked about the 243 and most are telling him about a different cartridge.
The 243 in a 10" twist will handle 105/107 gr bullets. The AI will net you 40-60 fps and never having to trim brass again. If I want to shoot 115gr bullets, I reach for a 25.
If you want performance look at the 6-284 or 6 Rem AI. If you want to go along with the crowd, get that creed thing. Bottom line is powder = fuel. The more powder capacity the more fuel you can burn. Much like an engine there does come a point where the next level in performance costs a bunch with only a small return.
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