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i sense on these posts and threads on the campfire on the internet there's a sea-change in the general discussions?
of course i could be wrong. i've been wrong more than once in my life, that's a military certainty.
it's good that discussions can move up into the internet territory.
times are a-changing. even Bob Dylan knew that. "Come gather round people, wherever you roam..."
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I have not followed this thread closely, but I see it has made the obligatory left turn.
Meanwhile, back at the topic, my great grandfather, and grandfather were Shriners. My father was neither, nor am I, never been asked.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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Richard, continuing down an alternate path, did you ever attend the Shrine Circus in Sioux City? Due to Mom's skill with the 35mm Kodak that did not automatically advance the film, we have a slide of a friend and myself sitting on the edge of one of the rings while performers go about their business behind us, all of this in our livingroom.
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My FIL was in the shrine and did a lot of good. The Masons can do a lot of good. That said when they protect turds it brings down the image. The Masons caused me grief on my job and in the military. The Shriners quit calling several years ago asking for money for free tickets to their circus. I gave them two names to call for money since the Masons/Shriners protected them at my expense. You can't unf*ck a person once the deed is done!
The Karma bus always has an empty seat when it comes around.- High Brass
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason.
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I asked to join as was given the opportunity to so so.
My father in law is a Mason......figured what the hell.
They sent out a traveling Mason to interview me and my family. Nice guy....had worked for us over the years off and on.
Of course neither he or my father in law would tell me anything about the Masons.....except for how great they were.
At the end of the interview the traveling Mason was very excited. He said he was very excited to finally get a Catholic to join.
He said that Catholics never join the Masons, they were against the organization.
I am not now nor was I then a very good Catholic......but I did ask him why the Catholics were against the Masons.........he wouldn't tell me.
I ended up declining. Became an Eagles member instead. No secrecy involved with those guys.
The Masons are no doubt a great outfit, at least judging by the men who are Masons that I know. Many of them I greatly respect.
Kinda like Obamacare....gotta join the Masons to find out what they are all about.
Just wasn't for me. i mostly went through catholic schools growing up. In grade school i came into class one day with one of my father's masonic books in code. The nun almost had a heart attack, and the rosary beads were flying. I had been asked to join the demolay in advance of becoming a mason. I wish i had done it, but it would have presented problems at school. Masons are not against catholics, it's the other way around. I think it goes back to one of the earlier popes, and the unwillingness of acknowleging the pope. Could be wrong tho. My father was a mason, and my grandfather was a mason, and probably even before that. I have zero problems with them.
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These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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There's a reason things are kept secret. What could it be? Does anybody know for sure?
By their nature, secrets are rarely good. Usually they are meant to conceal something bad.
Why the secrecy? The secrecy is actually a nostalgic practice that harkens back to esrly biblical times and the building of King Solomon's temple. Only duly-qualified Master Masons were allowed to work on the temple and there were secret methods by which the master masons could identify themselves. There's very few secrets that Masons are not allowed to divulge.
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason. I divulge the secret handshake every day
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason. I divulge the secret handshake every day Read a story once that said Sam Houston sparred Santa Anna’s sorry life because he gave him the “secret” handshake. Sam Houston was a Mason. Supposedly Santa Anna was too.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason. Any secret makes it a demonic organization.
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i mostly went through catholic schools growing up. In grade school i came into class one day with one of my father's masonic books in code. The nun almost had a heart attack, and the rosary beads were flying. I had been asked to join the demolay in advance of becoming a mason. I wish i had done it, but it would have presented problems at school. Masons are not against catholics, it's the other way around. I think it goes back to one of the earlier popes, and the unwillingness of acknowleging the pope. Could be wrong tho.
My father was a mason, and my grandfather was a mason, and probably even before that.
I have zero problems with them.
The Catholics of old (but no longer) had a problem with Freemasons because Freemasonry was and remains demonic. No actual Christian would have anything to do with them. You cannot be devoted to the Christ of the New Testament and not realize you cannot belong to the Freemasons.
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i mostly went through catholic schools growing up. In grade school i came into class one day with one of my father's masonic books in code. The nun almost had a heart attack, and the rosary beads were flying. I had been asked to join the demolay in advance of becoming a mason. I wish i had done it, but it would have presented problems at school. Masons are not against catholics, it's the other way around. I think it goes back to one of the earlier popes, and the unwillingness of acknowleging the pope. Could be wrong tho.
My father was a mason, and my grandfather was a mason, and probably even before that.
I have zero problems with them.
The Catholics of old (but no longer) had a problem with Freemasons because Freemasonry was and remains demonic. No actual Christian would have anything to do with them. You cannot be devoted to the Christ of the New Testament and not realize you cannot belong to the Freemasons. Yah. That's the ticket.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
--- Kid Rock 2022
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason. Any secret makes it a demonic organization. Bring out your kooks...
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All the patriarchs in my family were Freemasons. They were mostly liars, wife abusers, child abusers, boastful, boisterous, proud, haughty, self absorbed, foul mouthed & angry. I never saw any Christian behavior. And, I certainly wouldn’t consider any of them “bettered.”
Good men? I think not.
Freemasonry is of the Devil.
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i mostly went through catholic schools growing up. In grade school i came into class one day with one of my father's masonic books in code. The nun almost had a heart attack, and the rosary beads were flying. I had been asked to join the demolay in advance of becoming a mason. I wish i had done it, but it would have presented problems at school. Masons are not against catholics, it's the other way around. I think it goes back to one of the earlier popes, and the unwillingness of acknowleging the pope. Could be wrong tho.
My father was a mason, and my grandfather was a mason, and probably even before that.
I have zero problems with them.
The Catholics of old (but no longer) had a problem with Freemasons because Freemasonry was and remains demonic. No actual Christian would have anything to do with them. You cannot be devoted to the Christ of the New Testament and not realize you cannot belong to the Freemasons. No freedom loving American christian would tolerate those demon worshippers! They must be smoted!!! mike r
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Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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I knew a few in Texas, they were good gents.
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I usually avoid these discussions for fear of inadvertently divulging secrets I took an oath to keep. Number one the biggest Secret in Freemasonry is there is no secret! It is a fraternity of good men. Their mission is to take a good man and make him better. Freemasonry in all it's forms is simply the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. We worship the God off our choice in the manner of our choice. It is not a cult or bunch of devil worshippers; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Actually, there are only a couple of "secrets" that you not allowed to divulge to a non-Mason. Any secret makes it a demonic organization. Bring out your kooks... Guess they be here now.
I am MAGA.
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i mostly went through catholic schools growing up. In grade school i came into class one day with one of my father's masonic books in code. The nun almost had a heart attack, and the rosary beads were flying. I had been asked to join the demolay in advance of becoming a mason. I wish i had done it, but it would have presented problems at school. Masons are not against catholics, it's the other way around. I think it goes back to one of the earlier popes, and the unwillingness of acknowleging the pope. Could be wrong tho.
My father was a mason, and my grandfather was a mason, and probably even before that.
I have zero problems with them.
The Catholics of old (but no longer) had a problem with Freemasons because Freemasonry was and remains demonic. No actual Christian would have anything to do with them. You cannot be devoted to the Christ of the New Testament and not realize you cannot belong to the Freemasons. I waited patiently and was not disappointed! I’d ride the river with any of the Freemasons I know (blood relation or not) and have no issue trusting my son with them. In before ‘they’re not high enough in the organization to know the truth ‘ gets played out.
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